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#30 : April 03, 2014, 05:43:14 PM

While it's certainly difficult to be a draft analyst (given how many picks NFL teams get wrong, by definition even an amazing draft analyst will get TONS wrong) - Kipper (and McShay) are still not very good. Don't know if its complacency from being at ESPN or they've never been good, but I put little stock in his predictions/ideas.

tog- his predictions of draft order or player value?

Both. Draft order is pure entertainment with no real world corollary - we enjoy reading them right now because there's not much else going on but they're not useful for anything practical. If a draft "guru" totally screws up a mock draft... who cares - so it turns out he wasn't that great at guessing 32 team's intentions...  Plus, a mock draft seeks to guess where a player goes, not his value.

What are more interesting our prospect lists, ie. player value. The discussion is more interesting when a draft analyst comes out and says "Manziel is likely a 2nd round prospect, but will get bumped up in this year's weak class" or "I rank Jake Mathews over Robinson because of his technical proficiency" bla bla bla.

Someone who's actually been quite good is Charlie Campbell.  If you look back at players like Glennon, Martin, and Carimi - he nailed those scouting reports. Which isn't to say he's perfect (look at Clausen).

thanks Tog.  I like CC's work too

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#31 : April 03, 2014, 06:09:22 PM

While it's certainly difficult to be a draft analyst (given how many picks NFL teams get wrong, by definition even an amazing draft analyst will get TONS wrong) - Kipper (and McShay) are still not very good. Don't know if its complacency from being at ESPN or they've never been good, but I put little stock in his predictions/ideas.

tog- his predictions of draft order or player value?

Both. Draft order is pure entertainment with no real world corollary - we enjoy reading them right now because there's not much else going on but they're not useful for anything practical. If a draft "guru" totally screws up a mock draft... who cares - so it turns out he wasn't that great at guessing 32 team's intentions...  Plus, a mock draft seeks to guess where a player goes, not his value.

What are more interesting our prospect lists, ie. player value. The discussion is more interesting when a draft analyst comes out and says "Manziel is likely a 2nd round prospect, but will get bumped up in this year's weak class" or "I rank Jake Mathews over Robinson because of his technical proficiency" bla bla bla.

Someone who's actually been quite good is Charlie Campbell.  If you look back at players like Glennon, Martin, and Carimi - he nailed those scouting reports. Which isn't to say he's perfect (look at Clausen).

thanks Tog.  I like CC's work too

Too bad he hates the Bucs eh  ;)

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#32 : April 03, 2014, 08:24:56 PM




There\'s a very real chance the Bucs waive [Revis] before next season. At the very least, it will be a discussion worth having.

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#33 : April 03, 2014, 08:37:22 PM

Would be estatic with Evans and Yankey but Martin = Kyle Moore. There is zero explosiveness there. Would much rather take Aaron Lynch in the 7th. He is explosive and has a high ceiling but just hasnt been consistent.

I would much rather use this strategy than drafting a low ceiling player in the 3rd.

Mike Glennon
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6\' 4\" 190 6\' 3\" 180 6\' 2\" 170 6\' 1\" 160  6\' 0\" 150 How does he compare to your favorite QB?
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