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« : May 11, 2013, 01:55:10 AM »


Just a matter of time before it's all 50 states. Very good news.

All these states have allowed gay marriage and their states haven't imploded. Amazing.

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Final passage would make Minnesota the 12th state in the country to allow gay couples to wed, and the first in the Midwest to pass such a law in its Legislature. It comes just six months after the state’s voters rejected banning gay marriage in the state constitution.

Eleven other states allow gay marriages — including Rhode Island and Delaware, which approved laws in the past week.

Iowa allows gay marriages because of a 2009 court ruling. Leaders in Illinois — the only Midwestern state other than Minnesota with a Democratic-led statehouse — say that state is close to having the votes to approve a law too.




http://swampland.time.com/2013/05/10/minnesota-senate-next-stop-for-gay-marriage-bill

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Minnesota Senate Next Stop for Gay Marriage Bill

By AP / Brian Bakst and Patrick CondonMay 10, 2013   
Gay Marriage Minnesota
ASSOCIATED PRESS

ST. PAUL, Minn. — Supporters already are celebrating the Minnesota House’s passage of a measure to legalize gay marriage, but there are a few more steps before it gets to Gov. Mark Dayton’s desk.

“It’s not time to uncork the champagne yet. But it’s chilling,” Rep. Steve Simon, DFL-Hopkins, said at a spirited rally in the Capitol rotunda a few minutes after the House voted 75-59 to let same-sex couples start getting married in Minnesota come Aug. 1.

The state Senate is scheduled to vote on the bill Monday, and leaders expect it to pass there too. Dayton has pledged to sign it into law, and a spokesman said the Democratic governor likely would do so at a Tuesday ceremony.

Final passage would make Minnesota the 12th state in the country to allow gay couples to wed, and the first in the Midwest to pass such a law in its Legislature. It comes just six months after the state’s voters rejected banning gay marriage in the state constitution.

The bill passed in the House after more than three hours of debate that was emotional at times but remained respectful throughout. Many hundreds of demonstrators on both sides of the issue chanted, sang and waved signs outside the House chamber, prompting heightened security at the Capitol. But no disruptions were reported.

Rep. Karen Clark, the bill’s sponsor, said her only goal was equal treatment under state law for same-sex couples. In a deeply personal speech, the Minneapolis Democrat talked of the support she got from her own family after coming out as gay decades ago.

“My family knew firsthand that same-sex couples pay our taxes, we vote, we serve in the military, we take care of our kids and our elders and we run businesses in Minnesota,” Clark said.

Four of the House’s 61 Republicans voted for the bill, while two of its 73 Democrats voted no. None of the four Republicans committed support beforehand. One, Rep. Jenifer Loon of Eden Prairie, said she made up her mind during the debate, in which lawmakers listened with rapt attention while their colleagues spoke.

“There comes a time when you just have to set politics aside and decide in your gut what is the right thing to do,” said Loon, whose suburban district southwest of Minneapolis voted strongly against last fall’s gay marriage ban. The other Republicans to vote for gay marriage also hail from suburban or exurban districts: Pat Garofalo of Farmington, David FitzSimmons of Albertville and Andrea Kieffer of Woodbury.

Opponents argued the legislation alters a centuries-old conception of marriage, and leaves those people opposed for religious reasons to be tarred as bigots.

“We’re not. We’re not,” said Rep. Kelby Woodard, a Republican from Belle Plaine. “These are people with deeply held beliefs, including myself.”

House Republican Leader Kurt Daudt acknowledged views on gay marriage are changing but said the bill’s sponsors stood to alienate thousands of Minnesotans who still believe in the male-female definition of marriage.

“Hearts and minds are changing on this,” Daudt said. “But Minnesotans are still divided.”

The two Democrats who voted no, Patti Fritz of Faribault and Mary Sawatzky of Willmar, represent largely rural districts where the gay marriage ban was backed by a majority of voters. But most of the Democrats from rural, more socially conservative areas ended up voting for the bill.

Outside the chamber, supporters and opponents of the bill stood shoulder to shoulder and chanted with equal vigor. Gay marriage backers dressed in orange T-Shirts and held signs that read, “I Support The Freedom to Marry.” Behind them, opponents held up bright pink signs that simply read, “Vote No.”

Among the demonstrators was Grace McBride, 27, a nurse from St. Paul. She said she and her partner felt compelled to be there to watch history unfold. She said she hopes to get married “as soon as I can” if the bill becomes law. The legislation would allow her to do so starting Aug. 1.

“I have thought about my wedding since I was a little girl,” she said.

On the other side of the divide, Galina Komar, a recent Ukrainian immigrant who lives in Bloomington, brought her 4-year-old daughter and 1-year-old son to the Capitol to express her religious concerns.

“I do believe in God, and I believe God already created the perfect way to have a family,” Komar said.

Eleven other states allow gay marriages — including Rhode Island and Delaware, which approved laws in the past week.

Iowa allows gay marriages because of a 2009 court ruling. Leaders in Illinois — the only Midwestern state other than Minnesota with a Democratic-led statehouse — say that state is close to having the votes to approve a law too.

More than two dozen House Democrats gave speeches for the bill, many sharing personal stories of gay friends and family members.

“There are kids being raised by grandparents, single parents, two moms or two dads,” said Rep. Laurie Halverson, a Democrat from a suburb south of St. Paul. “Some of those folks are my friends. And we talk about the same things as parents. We talk about large piles of laundry, and how much it hurts to step on a Lego. That’s what we do, because we’re all families.”

Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2013/05/10/minnesota-senate-next-stop-for-gay-marriage-bill/#ixzz2Sxb5tBUu

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« #1 : May 11, 2013, 07:35:05 AM »

Good news for you Joe.   Weren't  you thinking about moving to Minnesota?

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« #2 : May 11, 2013, 11:58:28 AM »

Everyone has the right to be miserable.

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« #3 : May 11, 2013, 12:28:14 PM »

that's so gay





( how does the word "gay" bypass the PR filters?? )  :-\

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« #4 : May 11, 2013, 01:28:45 PM »

Good news for you Joe.   Weren't  you thinking about moving to Minnesota?

Too cold.

I love it when people on here try to insinuate that somebody (like me) is gay because of their/my strong support for a certain issue. Is that supposed to be an insult? Posters/people try to make it as if being gay is a bad thing. If I were gay, you would know it. And I wouldn't be embarrassed about it. I would be proud.

Post like the one from bassfisher show why this is still an issue with a lot of people.

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« #5 : May 11, 2013, 03:00:07 PM »

Everyone has the right to be miserable.

Right?!


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And if a guy wants five wives or a woman wants five husbands, I couldn't care less. It's none of my business.

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« #7 : May 11, 2013, 05:06:29 PM »


And if a guy wants five husbands, I couldn't care less.

« : May 11, 2013, 05:49:12 PM bassfisher »

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« #8 : May 11, 2013, 06:46:16 PM »

Preacher makes excellent argument against gay rights...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8JsRx2lois
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« #9 : May 11, 2013, 09:00:25 PM »

Good news for you Joe.   Weren't  you thinking about moving to Minnesota?

this post hits a new high (or low) on the irony scale

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« #10 : May 12, 2013, 09:37:34 AM »


Just a matter of time before it's all 50 states. Very good news.

All these states have allowed gay marriage and their states haven't imploded. Amazing.

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Final passage would make Minnesota the 12th state in the country to allow gay couples to wed, and the first in the Midwest to pass such a law in its Legislature. It comes just six months after the state’s voters rejected banning gay marriage in the state constitution.

Eleven other states allow gay marriages — including Rhode Island and Delaware, which approved laws in the past week.

Iowa allows gay marriages because of a 2009 court ruling. Leaders in Illinois — the only Midwestern state other than Minnesota with a Democratic-led statehouse — say that state is close to having the votes to approve a law too.




http://swampland.time.com/2013/05/10/minnesota-senate-next-stop-for-gay-marriage-bill

Swampland

Minnesota Senate Next Stop for Gay Marriage Bill

By AP / Brian Bakst and Patrick CondonMay 10, 2013   
Gay Marriage Minnesota
ASSOCIATED PRESS

ST. PAUL, Minn. — Supporters already are celebrating the Minnesota House’s passage of a measure to legalize gay marriage, but there are a few more steps before it gets to Gov. Mark Dayton’s desk.

“It’s not time to uncork the champagne yet. But it’s chilling,” Rep. Steve Simon, DFL-Hopkins, said at a spirited rally in the Capitol rotunda a few minutes after the House voted 75-59 to let same-sex couples start getting married in Minnesota come Aug. 1.

The state Senate is scheduled to vote on the bill Monday, and leaders expect it to pass there too. Dayton has pledged to sign it into law, and a spokesman said the Democratic governor likely would do so at a Tuesday ceremony.

Final passage would make Minnesota the 12th state in the country to allow gay couples to wed, and the first in the Midwest to pass such a law in its Legislature. It comes just six months after the state’s voters rejected banning gay marriage in the state constitution.

The bill passed in the House after more than three hours of debate that was emotional at times but remained respectful throughout. Many hundreds of demonstrators on both sides of the issue chanted, sang and waved signs outside the House chamber, prompting heightened security at the Capitol. But no disruptions were reported.

Rep. Karen Clark, the bill’s sponsor, said her only goal was equal treatment under state law for same-sex couples. In a deeply personal speech, the Minneapolis Democrat talked of the support she got from her own family after coming out as gay decades ago.

“My family knew firsthand that same-sex couples pay our taxes, we vote, we serve in the military, we take care of our kids and our elders and we run businesses in Minnesota,” Clark said.

Four of the House’s 61 Republicans voted for the bill, while two of its 73 Democrats voted no. None of the four Republicans committed support beforehand. One, Rep. Jenifer Loon of Eden Prairie, said she made up her mind during the debate, in which lawmakers listened with rapt attention while their colleagues spoke.

“There comes a time when you just have to set politics aside and decide in your gut what is the right thing to do,” said Loon, whose suburban district southwest of Minneapolis voted strongly against last fall’s gay marriage ban. The other Republicans to vote for gay marriage also hail from suburban or exurban districts: Pat Garofalo of Farmington, David FitzSimmons of Albertville and Andrea Kieffer of Woodbury.

Opponents argued the legislation alters a centuries-old conception of marriage, and leaves those people opposed for religious reasons to be tarred as bigots.

“We’re not. We’re not,” said Rep. Kelby Woodard, a Republican from Belle Plaine. “These are people with deeply held beliefs, including myself.”

House Republican Leader Kurt Daudt acknowledged views on gay marriage are changing but said the bill’s sponsors stood to alienate thousands of Minnesotans who still believe in the male-female definition of marriage.

“Hearts and minds are changing on this,” Daudt said. “But Minnesotans are still divided.”

The two Democrats who voted no, Patti Fritz of Faribault and Mary Sawatzky of Willmar, represent largely rural districts where the gay marriage ban was backed by a majority of voters. But most of the Democrats from rural, more socially conservative areas ended up voting for the bill.

Outside the chamber, supporters and opponents of the bill stood shoulder to shoulder and chanted with equal vigor. Gay marriage backers dressed in orange T-Shirts and held signs that read, “I Support The Freedom to Marry.” Behind them, opponents held up bright pink signs that simply read, “Vote No.”

Among the demonstrators was Grace McBride, 27, a nurse from St. Paul. She said she and her partner felt compelled to be there to watch history unfold. She said she hopes to get married “as soon as I can” if the bill becomes law. The legislation would allow her to do so starting Aug. 1.

“I have thought about my wedding since I was a little girl,” she said.

On the other side of the divide, Galina Komar, a recent Ukrainian immigrant who lives in Bloomington, brought her 4-year-old daughter and 1-year-old son to the Capitol to express her religious concerns.

“I do believe in God, and I believe God already created the perfect way to have a family,” Komar said.

Eleven other states allow gay marriages — including Rhode Island and Delaware, which approved laws in the past week.

Iowa allows gay marriages because of a 2009 court ruling. Leaders in Illinois — the only Midwestern state other than Minnesota with a Democratic-led statehouse — say that state is close to having the votes to approve a law too.

More than two dozen House Democrats gave speeches for the bill, many sharing personal stories of gay friends and family members.

“There are kids being raised by grandparents, single parents, two moms or two dads,” said Rep. Laurie Halverson, a Democrat from a suburb south of St. Paul. “Some of those folks are my friends. And we talk about the same things as parents. We talk about large piles of laundry, and how much it hurts to step on a Lego. That’s what we do, because we’re all families.”

Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2013/05/10/minnesota-senate-next-stop-for-gay-marriage-bill/#ixzz2Sxb5tBUu
not really surprising Minnesota would pass this.  I grew up there and it has always been a very liberal leaning state. The Democratic Farmers Union controls the state.   There are plenty of states where there is no chance in hell of a similar law ever passing in our lifetime. 


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« #11 : May 12, 2013, 01:33:59 PM »

There are plenty of states where there is no chance in hell of a similar law ever passing in our lifetime.

It won't matter once the SC bans any and all anti-gay marriage laws just like they did with interracial marriage and sodomy laws. When will that happen? IMO, within the next ten years. But the way things change nowadays, I'd say probably a lot sooner.

Some states, and people, will need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the progressive future. It won't be the first time...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia#cite_note-14

Despite the Supreme Court's decision, anti-miscegenation laws remained on the books in several states, although the decision had made them unenforceable. In 2000, Alabama became the last state to adapt its laws to the Supreme Court's decision, by removing a provision prohibiting mixed-race marriage from its state constitution through a ballot initiative. 60% of voters voted for the removal of the anti-miscegenation rule, and 40% against.

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« #12 : May 12, 2013, 09:17:39 PM »

In honor of JG...

When did you choose to be straight?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/10/choose-to-be-straight-video-_n_3247301.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

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« #13 : May 13, 2013, 03:58:22 AM »


When did you choose to be straight?



I guess lady boys don't choose to get operations changing them from men to women.   It just happens naturally in your world.
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When did you choose to be straight?



I guess lady boys don't choose to get operations changing them from men to women.   It just happens naturally in your world.

I am wondering if I should give you credit for being smart enough to even understand your bigotry

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