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#75 : July 24, 2013, 10:35:22 AM

Ok, accepting that premise wouldn't you want a guy with 7-8 years or so experience and has already been a starter and has won games over a raw rookie?  Especially considering they are pretty similar from a talent perspective.  Big, decent armed pocket passer...why assume Glennon has so  much more talent than Dan O?
Wasn't Russell Wilson a raw rookie last year going up against a guys with NFL experience that have started and won couple of games?
So Glennon was drafted to be a Pro Bowl caliber starter, then?
No but Russell Wilson wasn't drafted to be that either.
I think Pete Carroll thought he was.
So he waited till the 3rd round to grab the guy he thought was a Pro Bowl starting QB? Was he just being fair and giving everybody else a shot to grab him? I mean he did have the team already pony up and pay Matt Flynn.
Many thought Wilson would be a 5th or 6th rounder so Carroll grabbed him much earlier than expected.

Can't the same be said of Glennon and Schiano?
I'm not sure what you're asking.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#76 : July 24, 2013, 10:47:20 AM

So much hate for the guy.  At worst we have a backup qb on the cheap that fits our offense.  That is fine for a 3rd.  Anything more than that and he's a steal.  Time will tell.
A guy who can't at least become a rotational player is not fine for a 3rd with me.

I can understand people that would rather have spent a 4th round pick for Glennon but get over it already.  A lot of people were high on Glennon and obviously Schiano was because he tried to recruit him in college. The Buc's are covering their azz incase Freeman does not work out, pretty simple.
There's no such thing as covering your azz at the QB position.

I guess Shanahan didnt get the memo


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#77 : July 24, 2013, 10:47:56 AM

So much hate for the guy.  At worst we have a backup qb on the cheap that fits our offense.  That is fine for a 3rd.  Anything more than that and he's a steal.  Time will tell.
A guy who can't at least become a rotational player is not fine for a 3rd with me.

I can understand people that would rather have spent a 4th round pick for Glennon but get over it already.  A lot of people were high on Glennon and obviously Schiano was because he tried to recruit him in college. The Buc's are covering their azz incase Freeman does not work out, pretty simple.
There's no such thing as covering your azz at the QB position. Either you have a franchise QB or you don't. If Freeman doesn't do enough in 2013 to get extended and they start Glennon in 2014 and he isn't a franchise QB, there's no "Oh well he was only a 3rd round pick what do you expect?" That will mean six seasons for Mark Dominik with no playoffs and three for Schiano. Someone will be getting fired. You don't get a lifetime to find a franchise QB or Gruden would still be here.

And if Glennon can develop into a franchise QB and Freeman bombs that would be the covering your azz part I was talking about. If both bomb then yea Dom and Schiano will be looking for new jobs thats pretty obvious. If Freeman plays well then you got a young QB that you can develop for a couple years to have in case Freeman was to get hurt or to trade for another player or draft picks down the line.


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#78 : July 24, 2013, 10:48:34 AM

funny stuff people "freaking out" about using a 3rd instead of a 4th on Glennon.  Silly offseason nonsense. Schaino was familiar with the guy, he was there, he serves multiple purposes, we have no idea what other teams might have been doing. . . . nonsense


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#79 : July 24, 2013, 10:48:46 AM

There's no such thing as covering your azz at the QB position. Either you have a franchise QB or you don't. If Freeman doesn't do enough in 2013 to get extended and they start Glennon in 2014 and he isn't a franchise QB, there's no "Oh well he was only a 3rd round pick what do you expect?" That will mean six seasons for Mark Dominik with no playoffs and three for Schiano. Someone will be getting fired. You don't get a lifetime to find a franchise QB or Gruden would still be here.

Gruden did not even draft the QB he liked. You either try to get a franchsie QB or you do not not. If not you have little chance to get one though.

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#80 : July 24, 2013, 10:52:49 AM

There's no such thing as covering your azz at the QB position. Either you have a franchise QB or you don't. If Freeman doesn't do enough in 2013 to get extended and they start Glennon in 2014 and he isn't a franchise QB, there's no "Oh well he was only a 3rd round pick what do you expect?" That will mean six seasons for Mark Dominik with no playoffs and three for Schiano. Someone will be getting fired. You don't get a lifetime to find a franchise QB or Gruden would still be here.

Gruden did not even draft the QB he liked. You either try to get a franchsie QB or you do not not. If not you have little chance to get one though.
And if you try and get your franchise QB in the 3rd round when all the other teams gets theirs in the 1st, well, good luck to you.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#81 : July 24, 2013, 10:58:10 AM

So much hate for the guy.  At worst we have a backup qb on the cheap that fits our offense.  That is fine for a 3rd.  Anything more than that and he's a steal.  Time will tell.
A guy who can't at least become a rotational player is not fine for a 3rd with me.

I can understand people that would rather have spent a 4th round pick for Glennon but get over it already.  A lot of people were high on Glennon and obviously Schiano was because he tried to recruit him in college. The Buc's are covering their azz incase Freeman does not work out, pretty simple.
There's no such thing as covering your azz at the QB position.

I guess Shanahan didnt get the memo
Pete Carroll did the same thing, GB did  with Rodgers, Atlanta did the same with Vick and Shaub.. But FRG knows there is no such thing.

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#82 : July 24, 2013, 11:00:15 AM

There's no such thing as covering your azz at the QB position. Either you have a franchise QB or you don't. If Freeman doesn't do enough in 2013 to get extended and they start Glennon in 2014 and he isn't a franchise QB, there's no "Oh well he was only a 3rd round pick what do you expect?" That will mean six seasons for Mark Dominik with no playoffs and three for Schiano. Someone will be getting fired. You don't get a lifetime to find a franchise QB or Gruden would still be here.

Gruden did not even draft the QB he liked. You either try to get a franchsie QB or you do not not. If not you have little chance to get one though.
And if you try and get your franchise QB in the 3rd round when all the other teams gets theirs in the 1st, well, good luck to you.

You wanted to use a 1st rounder on QB this year then? How about talking about wasted picks then?
There is no reason why we do not try to get  a QB in next years 1st round. We only pass on that chance if we prefer Glennon. But good luck to you with guys you less like, while other teams draft players they LIKE, rate over anybody else available to them.

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#83 : July 24, 2013, 11:01:39 AM

There's no such thing as covering your azz at the QB position. Either you have a franchise QB or you don't. If Freeman doesn't do enough in 2013 to get extended and they start Glennon in 2014 and he isn't a franchise QB, there's no "Oh well he was only a 3rd round pick what do you expect?" That will mean six seasons for Mark Dominik with no playoffs and three for Schiano. Someone will be getting fired. You don't get a lifetime to find a franchise QB or Gruden would still be here.

Gruden did not even draft the QB he liked. You either try to get a franchsie QB or you do not not. If not you have little chance to get one though.
And if you try and get your franchise QB in the 3rd round when all the other teams gets theirs in the 1st, well, good luck to you.
We drafted our Franchise in the 1st and drafted his back up or insurance in the 3rd.... And if the franchise is not the answer we'll probably be drafting one in the 1st next year, but we'll have a promising young guy that knows our system already at the start of next season for sure no matter what. What's so hard to understand about that?

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#84 : July 24, 2013, 11:06:55 AM

There's no such thing as covering your azz at the QB position. Either you have a franchise QB or you don't. If Freeman doesn't do enough in 2013 to get extended and they start Glennon in 2014 and he isn't a franchise QB, there's no "Oh well he was only a 3rd round pick what do you expect?" That will mean six seasons for Mark Dominik with no playoffs and three for Schiano. Someone will be getting fired. You don't get a lifetime to find a franchise QB or Gruden would still be here.

Gruden did not even draft the QB he liked. You either try to get a franchsie QB or you do not not. If not you have little chance to get one though.
And if you try and get your franchise QB in the 3rd round when all the other teams gets theirs in the 1st, well, good luck to you.
We drafted our Franchise in the 1st and drafted his back up or insurance in the 3rd.... And if the franchise is not the answer we'll probably be drafting one in the 1st next year, but we'll have a promising young guy that knows our system already at the start of next season for sure no matter what. What's so hard to understand about that?
So then we used a 3rd round pick on a player who isn't going to play. Personally, I don't enjoy drafting a new Myron Lewis every year.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#85 : July 24, 2013, 11:09:56 AM

There's no such thing as covering your azz at the QB position. Either you have a franchise QB or you don't. If Freeman doesn't do enough in 2013 to get extended and they start Glennon in 2014 and he isn't a franchise QB, there's no "Oh well he was only a 3rd round pick what do you expect?" That will mean six seasons for Mark Dominik with no playoffs and three for Schiano. Someone will be getting fired. You don't get a lifetime to find a franchise QB or Gruden would still be here.

Gruden did not even draft the QB he liked. You either try to get a franchsie QB or you do not not. If not you have little chance to get one though.
And if you try and get your franchise QB in the 3rd round when all the other teams gets theirs in the 1st, well, good luck to you.
We drafted our Franchise in the 1st and drafted his back up or insurance in the 3rd.... And if the franchise is not the answer we'll probably be drafting one in the 1st next year, but we'll have a promising young guy that knows our system already at the start of next season for sure no matter what. What's so hard to understand about that?
So then we used a 3rd round pick on a player who isn't going to play. Personally, I don't enjoy drafting a new Myron Lewis every year.

Are you blind? Glennon plays if he is better than the 1st rounders in next years draft, or lets say seen as more promising.

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#86 : July 24, 2013, 11:10:55 AM

There's no such thing as covering your azz at the QB position. Either you have a franchise QB or you don't. If Freeman doesn't do enough in 2013 to get extended and they start Glennon in 2014 and he isn't a franchise QB, there's no "Oh well he was only a 3rd round pick what do you expect?" That will mean six seasons for Mark Dominik with no playoffs and three for Schiano. Someone will be getting fired. You don't get a lifetime to find a franchise QB or Gruden would still be here.

Gruden did not even draft the QB he liked. You either try to get a franchsie QB or you do not not. If not you have little chance to get one though.
And if you try and get your franchise QB in the 3rd round when all the other teams gets theirs in the 1st, well, good luck to you.
We drafted our Franchise in the 1st and drafted his back up or insurance in the 3rd.... And if the franchise is not the answer we'll probably be drafting one in the 1st next year, but we'll have a promising young guy that knows our system already at the start of next season for sure no matter what. What's so hard to understand about that?
So then we used a 3rd round pick on a player who isn't going to play. Personally, I don't enjoy drafting a new Myron Lewis every year.
He's going to compete therefor making our team better... like Schiano wants.

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#87 : July 24, 2013, 11:12:31 AM

There's no such thing as covering your azz at the QB position. Either you have a franchise QB or you don't. If Freeman doesn't do enough in 2013 to get extended and they start Glennon in 2014 and he isn't a franchise QB, there's no "Oh well he was only a 3rd round pick what do you expect?" That will mean six seasons for Mark Dominik with no playoffs and three for Schiano. Someone will be getting fired. You don't get a lifetime to find a franchise QB or Gruden would still be here.

Gruden did not even draft the QB he liked. You either try to get a franchsie QB or you do not not. If not you have little chance to get one though.
And if you try and get your franchise QB in the 3rd round when all the other teams gets theirs in the 1st, well, good luck to you.
We drafted our Franchise in the 1st and drafted his back up or insurance in the 3rd.... And if the franchise is not the answer we'll probably be drafting one in the 1st next year, but we'll have a promising young guy that knows our system already at the start of next season for sure no matter what. What's so hard to understand about that?
So then we used a 3rd round pick on a player who isn't going to play. Personally, I don't enjoy drafting a new Myron Lewis every year.

Are you blind? Glennon plays if he is better than the 1st rounders in next years draft, or lets say seen as more promising.
That's what I was saying.

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#88 : July 24, 2013, 11:16:32 AM

Ok, accepting that premise wouldn't you want a guy with 7-8 years or so experience and has already been a starter and has won games over a raw rookie?  Especially considering they are pretty similar from a talent perspective.  Big, decent armed pocket passer...why assume Glennon has so  much more talent than Dan O?
Wasn't Russell Wilson a raw rookie last year going up against a guys with NFL experience that have started and won couple of games?
So Glennon was drafted to be a Pro Bowl caliber starter, then?
No but Russell Wilson wasn't drafted to be that either.
I think Pete Carroll thought he was.
So he waited till the 3rd round to grab the guy he thought was a Pro Bowl starting QB? Was he just being fair and giving everybody else a shot to grab him? I mean he did have the team already pony up and pay Matt Flynn.
Many thought Wilson would be a 5th or 6th rounder so Carroll grabbed him much earlier than expected.

Can't the same be said of Glennon and Schiano?
I'm not sure what you're asking.

You are saying that Pete Carroll thought Russell Wilson would be a Pro Bowl caliber stater and that he grabbed Wilson earlier than expected because of it.  Can the same not be said of Schiano about Glennon?


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#89 : July 24, 2013, 11:18:24 AM

There's no such thing as covering your azz at the QB position. Either you have a franchise QB or you don't. If Freeman doesn't do enough in 2013 to get extended and they start Glennon in 2014 and he isn't a franchise QB, there's no "Oh well he was only a 3rd round pick what do you expect?" That will mean six seasons for Mark Dominik with no playoffs and three for Schiano. Someone will be getting fired. You don't get a lifetime to find a franchise QB or Gruden would still be here.

Gruden did not even draft the QB he liked. You either try to get a franchsie QB or you do not not. If not you have little chance to get one though.
And if you try and get your franchise QB in the 3rd round when all the other teams gets theirs in the 1st, well, good luck to you.
We drafted our Franchise in the 1st and drafted his back up or insurance in the 3rd.... And if the franchise is not the answer we'll probably be drafting one in the 1st next year, but we'll have a promising young guy that knows our system already at the start of next season for sure no matter what. What's so hard to understand about that?
So then we used a 3rd round pick on a player who isn't going to play. Personally, I don't enjoy drafting a new Myron Lewis every year.
He's going to compete therefor making our team better... like Schiano wants.
You don't win in the NFL by "competing". You win by being a franchise QB.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.
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