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Assessing Every Dropback from Josh Freeman’s Performance Against the Miami Dolphins

Aug 25th, 2013 at 11:30 pm

 by Leo Howell




Aug 24, 2013; Miami Gardens, FL, USA; Tampa Bay Buccaneers quarterback Josh Freeman (5) passes the ball against the Miami Dolphins in the first quarter at Sun Life Stadium.
: Robert Mayer-USA TODAY Sports



 
Last night, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers saw very little to be encouraged by as their Bucs’ first team offense seemed to struggle to get on the game page all night long. Most fans focused a majority of their outrage at quarterback Josh Freeman, and the final numbers seem to support the displeasure with the polarizing QB.
 
So let’s take a look back at Freeman’s performance, and see what went right, what went wrong, and what we can learn.
 
Attempt 1: Freeman drops the ball off to Mike Williams, who makes some moves for a first down (then fumbles, Bucs recover). Freeman got rid of the ball quickly against the blitz, and found a receiver with room to work for the first down. A positive play for Freeman.
 
Attempt 2: The Buccaneers run their first of two short boots for Freeman with Vincent Jackson running a comeback. Perfect throw is dropped by Vincent. Another positive play from Freeman.
 
Pass interference: Josh finds Vincent Jackson deep with a one-on-one versus Brent Grimes. He climbs up the pocket against pressure, and Grimes is forced to hold Jackson for about 5 yards to make sure he can’t haul in the pass. No way of knowing how accurate the pass is, because Jackson was impeded for a good 5 yards on his way into the end zone. A seemingly positive play.
 
Attempt 3: Josh steps up into pressure and throws to Vincent Jackson, but the ball is a bit high. Vincent gets his hands on it, but it could have been a better throw. A neutral play with some reason for concern, but not an awful throw.
 
Attempt 4: This throw might be the main reason for concern for the Buccaneers’ offense heading into 2013. Vincent Jackson is running downfield with a one-on-one against a much shorter Brent Grimes. Let’s take a look at what Josh Freeman sees at the time of the throw.
 



There is a safety towards the middle of the field, and Jackson has space against Grimes. If Josh Freeman has an option here, he’s going to want to throw the ball up for Vincent to go and get it, since the safety won’t factor in. But here’s what winds up happening.
 



Vincent breaks his route off inside towards the safety, while the throw seems to follow a 9 route for Jackson. Perhaps it was going to be a back shoulder throw? Either way, it doesn’t look like Freeman and Jackson had the same route in mind.
 
This isn’t the first or last time this will happen, as it seems to be a symptom of the current offensive scheme. If you go back through my breakdown of the interceptions Josh Freeman threw in 2012, you’ll find that this was the cause of multiple turnovers in 2012 for the Bucs.
 
It’s still possible that Freeman just simply overthrew the ball, but it’s impossible to know without being in the huddle. It’s hard to point to Freeman’s arm, Freeman’s head, or Vincent’s head as the guilty party here.
 
Sack 1: Josh has no options with only three men running routes, and the only one open before he’s sacked is Kevin Ogletree, who would have had 2-3 yards on a third and long.
 
Attempt 5: The Buccaneers run the same boot action play with a comeback to Vincent Jackson that was dropped earlier in the game. This time Vincent catches the ball, and it works as intended. A positive play for the Buccaneers’ offense.
 
Attempt 6: Freeman’s pass is tipped at the line. It was going to be thrown to an open Mike Williams.
 
Attempt 7: Freeman has little time to throw on third down, and has to throw from bad footing. He gets it to Ogletree, but it’s just short of a first down.
 


Aug 24, 2013; Miami Gardens, FL, USA; Tampa Bay Buccaneers wide receiver Mike Williams (19) and Miami Dolphins cornerback Jamar Taylor (22) both bobble a pass intended for Buccaneers wide receiver Mike Williams during the second half at Sun Life Stadium.
 Steve Mitchell-USA TODAY


Attempt 8: Josh Freeman has Mike Williams one-on-one on the outside, and tries to loft the ball up to Williams. Both Williams and Ogletree are running the same route on the same side of the field (which is not ideal), but the throw was just a bit too long, anyways. Seemed like Williams lost his footing a bit during his route, but certainly an overthrow.
 
Sack 2: Josh has just over 2 seconds to get from the time of the snap before he’s being assaulted by the Miami defense, and has no one open except for Mike Williams, who he had no time to see.
 
Attempt 9: A perfect back-shoulder throw to Mike Williams down the sideline. Just like they work on in every practice I witnessed this offseason.
 
Attempt 10: This one is tough to figure out, as Josh Freeman is trying to find Kevin Ogletree on a very short pass. Ogletree sits down on a slant route, and Josh’s throw winds up further up the field, where the slant would have continued to. Again, without being in the huddle, it’s tough to know what the read and responsibility was supposed to be for the players involved.
 
Attempt 11: Freeman overthrows Ogletree who has his man beat on a quick in-and-out route. Put the ball up a bit too far for KO. A negative play.
 
Sack 3/Fumble: This went down officially as a sack, but Freeman just dropped the wet football. A negative play for the Buccaneers’ QB.
 
Sack 4: Mike James picks up a blitzing defensive back, but Josh Freeman walks right up into him and is sacked for no gain. Freeman would have had an open receiver for a first down, but had no room to step up. There was no loss of yardage, so a sack is the same as a throwaway. It still would have been nice to see a better job of handling the pressure for Freeman.
 

Aug 24, 2013; Miami Gardens, FL, USA; Tampa Bay Buccaneers quarterback Josh Freeman (5) throws a pass during the first quarter against the Miami Dolphins at Sun Life Stadium.
 Steve Mitchell-USA TODAY Sports



Attempt 12: Josh Freeman steps up in the pocket, settles his feet, and throws a perfect first down pass to Mike Williams. Williams drops it. A positive play for Freeman.
 
Attempt 13: Freeman is under pressure in the back of his end zone, and throws deep for Mike Williams, who gets his feet caught with a defender and can’t quite pick up the ball. The ball was still overthrown, but Freeman had to make sure it wasn’t intercepted.
 
Attempt 14: Freeman rolls to his left and finds Kevin Ogletree for a first down.
 
Attempt 15: Josh Freeman steps up after a play action fake, and hits Mike Williams in the hands over the middle. The throw is slightly high, but catchable, and Williams must have more sure hands during the regular season. A disappointing night for Mike.
 
Sack 5: Josh has absolutely no time, as Nate Byham allows a free rusher to take down his quarterback right off the snap.
 
Attempt 16: A screen pass on third and long that goes nowhere to end the night for Josh Freeman.
 
Summary
 
So overall, there were certainly some negative plays from the Buccaneers’ offense, but it’s hard to pin most of them on just one man. A shaky offensive line and stone handed receivers held back Josh Freeman, and he did have a pair of inaccurate throws. But overall, there’s just a general out-of-sync feeling about the Buccaneer offense, and that must change before week one against New York.




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« #1 : August 26, 2013, 03:51:11 AM »

Pretty good read.

Personally, I think they should incorporate more bootlegs and plays that get his feet moving. He's seemingly very accurate when on the move, and it makes DB's second-guess. It also helps to keep defenses from stacking the box too often as well and gives him a lane to run if nothing is there (and blocks hold), and the DB's are dropped way back in coverage.

Freeman is a "gunslinger" type. Meaning, you take the good with the bad, and hope somewhere in between there is success. They've got to let him create plays and run the ball when needed. Way too many coaches fail in this regard as they want to play it close to the vest. You can't do that with Newton, and you can't do that with freeman. Schiano would be wise to allow freeman that chance this season. I know the line was supposed to be a strength, but it's having some troubles at the moment. Letting him roll out of pocket, bootlegs, what have you, will even it out a bit more IMO.

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« #2 : August 26, 2013, 05:56:52 AM »

Just watched it again.

Mike Williams dropped three catchable balls. Don't bring your troll ass in here and say they were poorly thrown balls. All three hit him in the hands.

VJax clearly ran a wrong route right into the waiting safety and Josh threw it where it needed to be thrown.

Bynham whiffed on a block and left a rusher unblocked for a sack.

WTF did the trolls see? You fools who are ragging on our starting QB for WHAT? 2 weeks before the lights come on for real need to STFU. Suck it you bloody wankers.

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« #3 : August 26, 2013, 08:18:33 AM »

I rewatched it last night and as well and pretty much saw what the author saw. Some good and bad plays by Freeman and him not getting much help from his WR and line.

What concerns me most is that our QB and WR continue to see something different and run different routes. From my perspective it looked like VJax ran the right route and Ogletree should have continued across the field rather than stopping his route.

Other times Freeman had no time to throw the ball, had his WR drop the ball or again was inaccurate. Freeman appears to be the same guy he was last year, he needs help from his whole team. He needs his guys to catch everything and a nice pocket because otherwise he is going to get very erratic.

Let's also not get to crazy yet, Schiano has already said they tend to not help guys out in the preseason to see how they hold up. What I saw was Joseph getting dominated by their NT all night, forget his name at the moment. Go back and watch Davin and see him get an ass whooping of a lifetime in the run game and getting the pocket collapsed in the pass game.

ST played well, defense got a lot of work and was stout in the redzone, the offense doesn't look close yet but again, if you were watching closely you'd see the same plays being run frequently with little to no creativity. I believe this to be by design.

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« #4 : August 26, 2013, 08:23:56 AM »

What I did see was Freeman going through his reads when he had time, on several occasions he hit the hot route on a blitzer. Good sign. The bad part is the line played so badly you had a hard time telling what was going on.

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« #5 : August 26, 2013, 08:24:59 AM »

I saw a distinct wind change just after Freeman threw the one that sailed over everyone's head... /blue

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« #6 : August 26, 2013, 08:29:33 AM »

Just watched it again.

Mike Williams dropped three catchable balls. Don't bring your troll ass in here and say they were poorly thrown balls. All three hit him in the hands.

VJax clearly ran a wrong route right into the waiting safety and Josh threw it where it needed to be thrown.

Bynham whiffed on a block and left a rusher unblocked for a sack.

WTF did the trolls see? You fools who are ragging on our starting QB for WHAT? 2 weeks before the lights come on for real need to STFU. Suck it you bloody wankers.
Williams had two drops, the third was a bad throw that he probably should've caught but he would've been bailing out Josh, which is a common theme. Josh doesn't put the ball in good positions for his receivers to succeed. They usually have to bail him out.

The routs have options and Jackson tried to split the safety and corner while Josh wanted the go-route. No one's fault really.

The Bynham wiff was horrible but the fact that Josh couldn't break a pathetic arm tackle attempt was worse. Not to mention he took 5 steps back out of the shotgun already.

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« #7 : August 26, 2013, 08:34:39 AM »

Just watched it again.

Mike Williams dropped three catchable balls. Don't bring your troll ass in here and say they were poorly thrown balls. All three hit him in the hands.

VJax clearly ran a wrong route right into the waiting safety and Josh threw it where it needed to be thrown.

Bynham whiffed on a block and left a rusher unblocked for a sack.

WTF did the trolls see? You fools who are ragging on our starting QB for WHAT? 2 weeks before the lights come on for real need to STFU. Suck it you bloody wankers.

Josh could have done more pre snap but I don't agree that he wasn't putting the ball where it needed be.  He made the right decisions with his throws.  The option route Jackson ran is not the correct one giving there isn't a WR on the other side to hold the safety for Jackson to run a post route.  So, Jackson should have ran the go route, and Freeman read the option route correctly given the coverage.


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« #8 : August 26, 2013, 08:35:06 AM »

Just watched it again.

Mike Williams dropped three catchable balls. Don't bring your troll ass in here and say they were poorly thrown balls. All three hit him in the hands.

VJax clearly ran a wrong route right into the waiting safety and Josh threw it where it needed to be thrown.

Bynham whiffed on a block and left a rusher unblocked for a sack.

WTF did the trolls see? You fools who are ragging on our starting QB for WHAT? 2 weeks before the lights come on for real need to STFU. Suck it you bloody wankers.
Freeman sucks



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« #9 : August 26, 2013, 08:37:32 AM »

Just watched it again.

Mike Williams dropped three catchable balls. Don't bring your troll ass in here and say they were poorly thrown balls. All three hit him in the hands.

VJax clearly ran a wrong route right into the waiting safety and Josh threw it where it needed to be thrown.

Bynham whiffed on a block and left a rusher unblocked for a sack.

WTF did the trolls see? You fools who are ragging on our starting QB for WHAT? 2 weeks before the lights come on for real need to STFU. Suck it you bloody wankers.
Freeman sucks

Well he certainly failed the eye test hard Saturday night. He his WR do nothing else than catch the balls they are suppose to catch his suckage looks different. I count 4 balls that could have been caught and with guys like Mike Will and VJax, I expect to be caught even if they could have been thrown in a better spot.

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« #10 : August 26, 2013, 08:40:42 AM »

Pretty good read.

Personally, I think they should incorporate more bootlegs and plays that get his feet moving. He's seemingly very accurate when on the move, and it makes DB's second-guess. It also helps to keep defenses from stacking the box too often as well and gives him a lane to run if nothing is there (and blocks hold), and the DB's are dropped way back in coverage.

Freeman is a "gunslinger" type. Meaning, you take the good with the bad, and hope somewhere in between there is success. They've got to let him create plays and run the ball when needed. Way too many coaches fail in this regard as they want to play it close to the vest. You can't do that with Newton, and you can't do that with freeman. Schiano would be wise to allow freeman that chance this season. I know the line was supposed to be a strength, but it's having some troubles at the moment. Letting him roll out of pocket, bootlegs, what have you, will even it out a bit more IMO.

I think they plan to run Martin a lot out of I formation and then run play action boot legs off of it.  I also suspect that the Bucs will be using a lot of RB and WR screens as well to keep defenses off guard.  A lot of the five step plays are right now really materializing because:

1. Pass pro isn't good enough
2. Teams are blitzing
3. QB and WR option routes when the blitz is on have to be altered on a dime and in synch.

Problems 2-3 can be ironed out, but problem 1 has to be schematically covered.  If pass pro is that poor expect more of a dink and dunk offense.  However, I also suspect that the Bucs will have to see one of the TE's step up to make defenses pay down the seem.  Lets hope Crabtree or Stocker can do it.  Maybe Noble?

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« #11 : August 26, 2013, 09:18:01 AM »

We haven't seen a sharp offense all pre-season yet, not time to panic yet, we have loads of talent on offense and it's only a matter of time before we see it click, I have every bit of faith as long as we have a QB that can get it near our stud WR's (yes they have dropped some balls this preseason, but think about what these guys do on a consistent basis every year)

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« #12 : August 26, 2013, 10:07:17 AM »

Tired of these Freepologist Journalist. Are 4 years of writing the exact same nonsense not enough to get them to wake the **CENSORED** up?

gtfo with this garbage. your hatred for freeman is blinding you. he made some poor throws but he was also victimized by drops and his protection being poor. we also saw instances where he and the receivers arent in sync. you cant blame the qb if a receiver runs the wrong route or cuts it off short. only the coaches will know the playcall and who was wrong.

newsflash, freeman was far from the only issue on offense for us in this game. hes playing rusty as hell and i blame the coaches for not giving him more snaps in games 1 and 2. he looks like a guy playing in his first of 3 preseason games. the coaches blew this offseason badly

jesus christ some of you just whine about freeman just to whine. we know, hes inconsistent but posts like yours are idiotic and baseless

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« #13 : August 26, 2013, 10:14:03 AM »

. the coaches blew this offseason badly
Not really sure about this. Especially after the Miami game

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« #14 : August 26, 2013, 10:18:49 AM »

I see that the usual crowd of remoras have attached themselves to Freeman's testicles. No wonder the poor guy can't run anymore.
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