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: September 17, 2013, 02:38:45 AM


Bucs' Freeman playing his way out

Gary Shelton, Times Sports Columnist 
 
 September 15, 2013 11:45pm
 



DANIEL WALLACE | Times
Bucs quarterback Josh Freeman, the subject of a report saying he would ask for a trade before the deadline, completes just 9 of 22 passes for 125 yards and has an interception and a fumble.



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The quarterback says he does not want to be traded, no matter what you may read on the Internet. Why, Josh Freeman is a Buc, and if you take him at his word, he is tickled pewter to be one.
 
The head coach says any talk of a trade is news to him. Coach Greg Schiano says there have been no discussions about a trade. For that matter, he anticipates that Freeman will start at quarterback the next game, too.
 
Ah, yes. Nasty things, these headlines.
 
The fact is, there is only one thing to lead you to believe those wicked rumors that Freeman may be trying to get traded:
 
His play.
 
This is how a guy plays his way out of town. For most of Sunday's 16-14 loss to the New Orleans Saints, Freeman sputtered. He played as if his destination was not the end zone, and if it was, it wasn't this end zone.
 
Freeman threw the ball only 22 times, and he completed only nine passes, and when it came to the biggest play of the game, his coach kept him safely out of the way. He threw for only 125 yards, and he had an interception, and he had a fumble while being sacked. In a game where the Bucs needed Freeman, he was pretty much a bystander.
 
For instance, consider the Bucs' most important play. It was third and 6 with 1:56 to play, and the Saints were on the ropes. If the Bucs picked up a first down, the Saints were toast.
 
And Schiano ran Doug Martin.
 
By now, this shouldn't surprise anyone. Schiano did the same thing against last year Atlanta (and lost), and he did the same thing last week against the Jets (and lost). This time Martin ran for 3 yards.
 
And the Bucs lost.
 
"That's what we thought was the best way to get the first down and keep the clock moving," Schiano said. "We felt good about the play, the way they were closing in on the run. It was a bit of a specialty play."
 
Oh, in the end, it wasn't that special. The Saints tackled Martin a good 3 yards shy of the first down marker.
 
Which brings us back to this: In the NFL, third and 6 is a passing down. Coaches who trust their quarterbacks tend to throw the ball in such situations. Yes, a Freeman incompletion would have stopped the clock, but as it was, the Saints had enough time to move the ball downfield for their winning field goal.
 
To ignore Freeman in that position again suggests there isn't quite the unshakable bond between coach and quarterback that anyone would like. Granted, Freeman's play for most of the game wasn't exactly a call for the ball with the game on the line, but Freeman had just hit two of his biggest passes of the day, throws of 20 and 18 yards to Vincent Jackson.
 
All this, of course, was before the usual task of denying the latest headlines.
 
This time, a story by cbssports.com said Freeman was likely to ask for a trade before the deadline because his relationship with Schiano is so fractured. At this point, you can believe it or not.
 
Poor Josh. This keeps happening to him. One day it's that he doesn't have a contract, and the next it's that he wasn't elected captain. The day after that it's that he overslept and missed the team photo. Then it's a players-only meeting where supposedly his captaincy status was discussed. And now this.
 
It seems there is always a story about Freeman and his tenuous grip on the Bucs' quarterback position, and he is always denying it and insisting his relationship with Schiano is simply dandy.
 
At this point, you believe one of a few things. One, the Internet was created with the single purpose of making stuff up about Josh. Two, there is enough smoke to convince you something unsettling is in the relationship. Or three, you are simply weary of the drama.
 
On the other hand, if Internet reports kept making up things about you, wouldn't you get ticked? Wouldn't you slam down your fist and demand some answers? Wouldn't you want to know if anyone in your camp is starting these rumors?
 
Not Freeman.
 
"If it's going on, I need a new camp," Freeman said. "On game day I try to shut my phone off. It's not my job to write or to critique writing."
 
Huh?
 
I know this: If Freeman really wants a trade, he should say so and simplify matters. He's a take-charge guy, right? Of course, it's hard to imagine a long list of teams that are in the market for a quarterback whose offense has scored two touchdowns in two weeks, or a quarterback who just completed fewer passers than in any other of his 57 starts.
 
For crying out loud, it looks as if something is in Freeman's head. The contract. The coach. The lack of a captaincy. Something.
 
If things don't change, Freeman won't have to ask to be traded.
 
It will happen on its own.
: September 17, 2013, 03:40:05 AM michael89156

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#1 : September 17, 2013, 03:36:02 AM

Too many distractions for Freeman this year. Specifically the coach who doesn't have his back.

You want him gone Schiano? You got what you wanted. Now what's the plan to win games?

If they had tried to improve the offense instead of trying to replace Freeman we could have been 2 and 0 right now.

Obviously Schiano getting what he wants is more important than winning games.

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#2 : September 17, 2013, 04:43:54 AM

Schiano is more worried about room temperature and making freeman look like crap (when he already does on his own).

This is some kind of joke, right?

I mean, seriously ...how bad is it that you can't sit down and say, "I don't like you, you don't like me, but let's try to make each other look good in the meantime so we both still have a job."

I warned everyone this crap would start the minute they drafted glennon. You have a "franchise" QB (whether or not YOU think so) you let him do or die first, not start a grudge match with the guy. Now schiano looks like a crappy guy, when he could've A) traded him right away, or B) let him play it out. He toyed with Freeman's mind, and that's retarded to do to the guy who desides your season.

Not saying freeman is anything than what he is, but he could've done better without all the extra bullsh1t. Anyone would have. Freeman is done in Tampa like a used
 napkin, but that doesn't exonerate schiano from the stupid crap he has pulled by pissing of the refs, the league, and his very own QB. This hardheaded, conservative coaching style is a waste of time in today's NFL.

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#3 : September 17, 2013, 05:31:54 AM

Freeman was on the hot seat long before Glennon was drafted.

And if that is really what rattled Freeman, then he's got an even weaker mind than we thought. This is the NFL. There is only 32 starting QB jobs to be had. You better be putting results on the field by year 5 or you can start to expect competition. This is a win-now league. If Freeman can't mentally handle the pressure, then he needs to be gone.

People keep saying the team is bailing on Schiano. Really? Where is evidence of that? I didn't see evidence of that this past Sunday with the defense playing their ass off. If anything this team looks like it's bailing on Freeman, a guy that missed the team photo and has missed several team meetings (per numerous sources).

Freeman was a Raheem guy. Raheem was a players coach that didn't put much pressure on the team nor Freeman....what happened? It blew up because idiots like Winslow and Talib took advantage of him. So what did you want the Bucs to do? They had to bring in a hard nosed guy to set it back right. Apparently Freeman can't take that pressure and is imploding.
: September 17, 2013, 05:39:46 AM cyberdude558

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#4 : September 17, 2013, 06:12:07 AM

This is how you lose about  $70 million . 


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#5 : September 17, 2013, 06:56:04 AM

All this talk about the defense playing great is funny. Let's look at what really happened.

Sortable Passing Leaders
RK    PLAYER    TEAM    RESULT    COMP   ATT   YDS   TD   INT   SACK   FUM   RAT
1   Aaron Rodgers, QB   GB   W 38-20 vs. WSH   34   42   480   4   0   4   0   146.0
2   Michael Vick, QB   PHI   L 33-30 vs. SD   23   36   428   2   0   1   0   123.4
3   Philip Rivers, QB   SD   W 33-30 at PHI   36   47   419   3   0   1   0   124.3
4   Matt Ryan, QB   ATL   W 31-24 vs. STL   33   43   374   2   0   2   0   117.8
5   Eli Manning, QB   NYG   L 41-23 vs. DEN   28   49   362   1   4   1   0   53.3
6   Sam Bradford, QB   STL   L 31-24 at ATL   32   55   352   3   1   0   0   87.8
7   Drew Brees, QB   NO   W 16-14 at TB   26   46   322   1   2   4   0   67.5

http://espn.go.com/nfl/weekly/leaders/_/type/passing

Look. We got the 7th ranked pass defense Bubba. No you nit wits! (blue)

If Brees doesn't throw those two passes to our wide open linebackers we lose this game 27 to 7.

Brees drove down the field at will. Jimmy Graham had 17, 000 yards receiving.

Granted the defense did play better, I am not trying to take away from what was a great effort by the defense against Drew Brees at all. At the same time my evaluation process does not see a defense that has suddenly turned the corner.

IMO We should be dominating right now. Our LB'S are playing lights out at the LOS. Our front 7 is a very solid run stuffing unit. We have Revis and Goldson in the secondary.

How do we give up the 7th most passing yards this week playing at home?

And how is this some great improvement?


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#6 : September 17, 2013, 07:26:46 AM

Then I guess Russell Wilson is playing himself out of Seattle too.

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#7 : September 17, 2013, 07:29:42 AM

More like Schiano looking for his old job...at a nobody Rutgers...where he belongs...now!!

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#8 : September 17, 2013, 07:36:42 AM

Then I guess Russell Wilson is playing himself out of Seattle too.

Uh, really can't tell the difference between the two?

What do you want to hear? This defense is the best thing we've put on a field in a long long time and yes penalties have hurt us, but you aren't going to win many games scoring one offensive TD, which was a 35 yard drive, btw.

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#9 : September 17, 2013, 07:42:58 AM

With only 22 pass attempts, why is no one questioning the play calling?

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#10 : September 17, 2013, 07:52:51 AM

With only 22 pass attempts, why is no one questioning the play calling?

There is nothing to question. We had a small amount of total offensive snaps because we went three and out repeatedly. We had 29 rush attempts because the run was actually working. Meanwhile, your QB is 9 of 22.....why on Earth would you give him more attempts?


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#11 : September 17, 2013, 08:05:45 AM

With only 22 pass attempts, why is no one questioning the play calling?

There is nothing to question. We had a small amount of total offensive snaps because we went three and out repeatedly. We had 29 rush attempts because the run was actually working. Meanwhile, your QB is 9 of 22.....why on Earth would you give him more attempts?

Yeah, the run was actually working, but we went three and out repeatedly..........What the hell was working?

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#12 : September 17, 2013, 08:26:49 AM

Doug had 144 yards and 5ypc average.....the run was working. But he had 29 carries, you can only ask so much of him.....and obviously Brian Leonard and Hillis are useless wastes of roster spots that can't actually do anything...or our coaching staff is just too stupid to actually use them. If we had a great one, two punch to pair with Martin...we could have probably pulled that game out. It's hard though when your QB cannot do anything.....at all...


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#13 : September 17, 2013, 08:59:23 AM

With only 22 pass attempts, why is no one questioning the play calling?

There is nothing to question. We had a small amount of total offensive snaps because we went three and out repeatedly. We had 29 rush attempts because the run was actually working. Meanwhile, your QB is 9 of 22.....why on Earth would you give him more attempts?

We had 1 TD and 3 1st downs of Freemans throwing nullified by drops and penalties. But for some reason we just cry about how Freeman was unable to overcome this. Not every QB gets extra 1st downs handed by the defense.

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#14 : September 17, 2013, 09:02:35 AM

Quote from: Skull and Bones
This is how you lose about  $70 million .
Quoted for truth.
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