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« #15 : March 23, 2007, 09:53:06 AM »

http://rotoworld.com/content/playernews.aspx?sport=NFL


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The Texans reportedly added a second second-round pick to their package for Matt Schaub because Oakland was after him.

Very interesting. The Raiders offensive coordinator is Greg Knapp, who coach Schaub in Oakland. The attempt to acquire Schaub could indicate that the Raiders aren't sold on drafting a quarterback with the first overall pick.
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« #16 : March 23, 2007, 10:40:39 AM »

Smokescreen? They own the #1 overall pick, they don't have to hide anything.

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« #17 : March 23, 2007, 11:43:47 AM »

Well if they think his weight is gonna yo-yo then the fat-thin thing might be an issue. The Faders don't have to send out smoke screens, they can take who they want.
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That is true, but they may be trying to generate more trading partners.  Had the Texans used their heads last year, they could probably have gotten NO to give them something for the chance to draft Bush and they would still have gotten the player they wanted.  Instead, it appeared they didn't try to manipulate the draft and just made their selection. 

Some things are probably going on behind the scenes, but by creating a buzz the Faders might generate more trading partners.

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« #18 : March 23, 2007, 11:49:15 AM »

Dal,
That is true, but they may be trying to generate more trading partners.  Had the Texans used their heads last year, they could probably have gotten NO to give them something for the chance to draft Bush and they would still have gotten the player they wanted.  Instead, it appeared they didn't try to manipulate the draft and just made their selection. 

Yeah but usually you talk UP a player to generate interest. When you say Russell is fat and lazy it doesn't make folks want to jump up to grab him. They should be telling everyone what a stone cold freak he is to get the lather up on folks.

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« #19 : March 23, 2007, 11:52:48 AM »

From KFFL.com: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

Raiders | Team concerned with Russell's weight
Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:17:31 -0700

Steve Corkran, reporting for the Sporting News, reports the Oakland Raiders returned from the NFL Scouting Combine with some concerns about Louisiana State QB JaMarcus Russell being their man for the top pick in the draft. Publicly, the Raiders haven't commented about Russell or any of the other players who attended the combine. Privately, however, certain Raider officials have questioned Russell's work ethic and have shown concern about his weight being a long-term problem.


I wonder if this is just a smoke screen that the Raiders are throwing out or if they are really serious about drafting Calvin Johnson or maybe Brady Quinn instead of JaMarcus Russell.

Considering JaMarcus has been interviewing for the job of his life, his weight and work ethic would make me choose another player.  JaMarcus has not been able to motivate himself in the past year and there are millions of dollars at stake.  What will happen when he gets financial security for the rest of his life?  Does anyone believe he will suddenly be motivated?  Does anyone believe he will mix in a salad into his diet?  I think he will eat himself to about 280-290 lbs. by next March.  I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole.

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« #20 : March 23, 2007, 11:54:06 AM »

Smokescreen? They own the #1 overall pick, they don't have to hide anything.
Yes they do. The reason they might be creating a smokescreen to keep people guessing is that somebody might want to trade up to get their player.  If everybody knows that they are taking Russell nobody will trade up. If they keep Detroit, Cleveland and Tampa guessing that they might take Quinn or CJ, then the idea is that somebody who wants Quinn or CJ would possibly be willing to trade up.  Then Oakland moves down and takes Russell anyway and they get a pick or two out of it.  

Thats the idea. Now whether it works or not is another matter.  Probably not. But it doesn't hurt to try.   Smokescreens don't cost anything, which is why teams can put as many of them out there on the off chance that it might actually stick.

Oakland will take Russell though. Bank on it.


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« #21 : March 23, 2007, 12:08:18 PM »

Smokescreen? They own the #1 overall pick, they don't have to hide anything.
Yes they do. The reason they might be creating a smokescreen to keep people guessing is that somebody might want to trade up to get their player.  If everybody knows that they are taking Russell nobody will trade up. If they keep Detroit, Cleveland and Tampa guessing that they might take Quinn or CJ, then the idea is that somebody who wants Quinn or CJ would possibly be willing to trade up.  Then Oakland moves down and takes Russell anyway and they get a pick or two out of it. 

Thats the idea. Now whether it works or not is another matter.  Probably not. But it doesn't hurt to try.   Smokescreens don't cost anything, which is why teams can put as many of them out there on the off chance that it might actually stick.

Oakland will take Russell though. Bank on it.

It doesn't really work that way. The price for the first overall pick in the draft is very steep, I'm willing to bet that no team is going to trade up to that slot to draft CJ. Not only would a team give up a king's ransom in draft picks, but they then would be saddled with paying a boatload of gauranteed money to a player who isn't a QB. If there is a team willing to trade up to te first overall pick they're going to do regardless of what moves the Raiders may or may not make. Their resolve must be such that they feel the player who they're after is THAT good. Oakland put feelers for teams willing to trade up and there was not much interest, and I doubt they're going to get any interest by selling smoke screens, the price is too high. Oakland will be stuck with first overall pick in the same way that Houston was last year.

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« #22 : March 23, 2007, 01:47:50 PM »

They're using Calvin Johnson in particular as trade bait. They want somebody to hop up and nab him and then then can drop down to 2 or 4 and still pick Russell.

It's not working, Darth Al.

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« #23 : March 23, 2007, 04:48:04 PM »

McKay will do it if he can.  He's made dumbazz trades before.  Remember Yatta?  If McKay thinks that CJ is gonna be picked by OAK he'll try.  Blank is very interested in the popular players, that's why they're stuckj with Vick.  CJ can help in that area in several ways.  He's potentially more than just a WR there, he's a hometown hero, and someone who can help them ease out of the Vick trap...

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« #24 : March 23, 2007, 06:05:48 PM »

More on this:

http://profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/default.htm

Russell’s red flags could make Quinn the first QB drafted in ’07

In the minds of many evaluators, including PFW resident draft analyst Nolan Nawrocki, there is a considerable gap between QBs JaMarcus Russell and Brady Quinn.

The way we hear it, it is Quinn, not Russell, who Nawrocki and a growing contingent of teams think will be the better pro. And perhaps to the surprise of many draft fans, more of the teams we consulted had finished their pre-Combine draft meetings thinking Quinn would be the better pro.

Multiple teams that have begun digging into Russell's background have been turned off by his lazy work habits and immaturity. When he took off his shirt at the Combine weigh-ins and exposed a very soft, fleshy body filled with baby fat, the concerns immediately heightened for one top-10 team that PFW spoke with, revealing what some consider to be the tip of the iceberg.

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« #25 : March 23, 2007, 06:07:14 PM »

Well one thing is for sure. I don't want Russell or Quinn.


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« #26 : March 23, 2007, 06:08:29 PM »

I wouldn't be surprised if the Raiders draft Brady Quinn.

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« #27 : March 23, 2007, 07:06:46 PM »

More on this:

http://profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/default.htm

Russell’s red flags could make Quinn the first QB drafted in ’07

In the minds of many evaluators, including PFW resident draft analyst Nolan Nawrocki, there is a considerable gap between QBs JaMarcus Russell and Brady Quinn.

The way we hear it, it is Quinn, not Russell, who Nawrocki and a growing contingent of teams think will be the better pro. And perhaps to the surprise of many draft fans, more of the teams we consulted had finished their pre-Combine draft meetings thinking Quinn would be the better pro.

Multiple teams that have begun digging into Russell's background have been turned off by his lazy work habits and immaturity. When he took off his shirt at the Combine weigh-ins and exposed a very soft, fleshy body filled with baby fat, the concerns immediately heightened for one top-10 team that PFW spoke with, revealing what some consider to be the tip of the iceberg.
Dal,
Here is where that smokescreen comes in.  They talk down JR and create more interest in trading partners that want Quinn.  Then they go back for JR when their turn comes.  If the teams are already knocking JR then it gives AD the opportunity to get the QB that better fits his vertical game (although Knapp is a WCO OC) and extra picks.

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« #28 : March 24, 2007, 12:01:03 PM »

if they were smart they would pretend to be taking CJ knowing some team might want to deal.


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« #29 : March 24, 2007, 12:16:44 PM »

I think it's all a smokescreen.  They may be a little concerned, but not enough to make Quinn the top pick.  I believe Oakland will be picking Russell.

Well, I'm not sure whether or not it is a smokescreen, but it certainly behooves them to keep as much doubt about it as possible.
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