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« #15 : December 18, 2013, 11:37:24 AM »

The quote in its entirety:
 "I conveniently ignored it because you are an idiot, and a dishonest one at that. Gun violence has declined sharply over the last two decades. Violence overall has declined over the last two decades. As a percentage of the whole, gun violence has remained the same, but let's be absolutely clear here: gun violence has declined dramatically. There is no getting around that. During that same period, gun ownership increased a lot. The percentage of households with guns did not rise, nor would one expect it to in an increasingly urban population. The number of guns went up though. It went up a lot.

So, to review: amount of gun violence = way down, amount of guns = way up. Anyone telling you that "MORE GUNS = MORE GUN VIOLENCE" is just flat out wrong, and likely an inbred, bucktoothed halfwit with penis breath and a mullet."

someone just needs attention.

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« #16 : December 18, 2013, 11:38:19 AM »

Illuminator has spoken . . . once again . . .  out both sides of his mouth:

Less guns in the wrong hands decreases gun violence. .

. Anyone telling you that "MORE GUNS = MORE GUN VIOLENCE" is just flat out wrong, and likely an inbred, bucktoothed halfwit with penis breath and a mullet."


lmao . . . .  Illuminator, you might want to go see CBW for a lesson in retreating from exposed intellectual dishonesty
« : December 18, 2013, 11:40:21 AM VinBucFan »

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« #17 : December 18, 2013, 11:51:55 AM »

Funny thing is Vin, is that in this thread you are advocating and supporting removing illegally owned firearms from the hands of criminals. I don't think anybody is against that. The problem is removing legally owned firearms from the hands of law abiding citizens. ONE of the arguments against the current wave of proposals is that they do exactly that and the bad guys still have theirs. And you can't say the wouldn't, otherwise, why the big discussion about stop and frisk?

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« #18 : December 18, 2013, 11:59:58 AM »

Roses are red
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I've got a gun
Get in the van

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« #19 : December 18, 2013, 12:02:24 PM »

The insane thing is that the article says nothing really about taking away guns or gun control at all. .

"Less than two weeks later, those steps led to the arrest of one of the Rockwell Boys for the shooting. It wasn’t a kid from the original four, but an associate police found through the same network. At the same time, in the days the case was open, McNaughton’s cops were all over the predicted scenes. They made a dozen more arrests than in the same period the year before, catching one of the Rockwell Boys with a gun a block from where they expected the next spree — a shootout that McNaughton says never did happen."

That is a Stop & Frisk and the reason that they are having success in Chicago is not just that they are using data to predict a future crime and then flooding the potential scene -- although that is a part, the presence helps -- it is that they are using Stop & Frisk.  Look again where the new police chief came from. It's discussed in the article:

“Chicago is the new New York when it comes to stop-and-frisk,” said Harvey Grossman, legal director for the American Civil Liberties Union in Illinois.

There's plenty more info available. From a simple Google search:


How stop and frisk works in Chicago | Bleader | Chicago Reader

www.chicagoreader.com/Bleader/.../how-stop-and-frisk-works-in-chicag...‎


Aug 26, 2013 - Police practices in Chicago may be less flawed than New York's, but they cause the same tensions between public safety and personal liberty.

Poor data keep Chicago's stop and frisk hidden from scrutiny | WBEZ ...

www.wbez.org/.../poor-data-keeps-chicagos-stop-and-frisk-hidden-scruti...‎

Sep 12, 2013 - In Chicago, stop and frisk is alive and well – but relatively unchecked. Encounters with Chicago police officers often begin with a little-known ...

Chicago, New York officers spar over stop-and-frisk policy - CNN.com

www.cnn.com/2013/08/14/us/new-york-chicago-stop-frisk‎

Aug 14, 2013 - Police departments in Chicago and New York are trading barbs after a federal judge ruled that New York City's stop-and-frisk policy was ...

Stop and frisk in Chicago - Interesting Chicago - ChicagoNow

www.chicagonow.com/interesting-chicago/.../stop-and-frisk-in-chicago/‎





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Again, the "frisk" of that story was fairly incident, to what they are talking about.  The fact that the data analysis pointed them to associates of the shooter and to the location is really what it is about and then go figure when they detain suspects they search them.  This program is actually quite interesting as I read more on it and a lot more interesting than being reduced to a simple stop and frisk policy.

All posts are opinions in case you are too stupid to figure that out on your own without me saying it over and over.

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« #20 : December 18, 2013, 12:06:09 PM »

Funny thing is Vin, is that in this thread you are advocating and supporting removing illegally owned firearms from the hands of criminals. I don't think anybody is against that. The problem is removing legally owned firearms from the hands of law abiding citizens. ONE of the arguments against the current wave of proposals is that they do exactly that and the bad guys still have theirs. And you can't say the wouldn't, otherwise, why the big discussion about stop and frisk?

Few quick comments:

1. you are assuming all the guns being confiscated are illegal
2. you are assuming all involved are criminals, the clear point of the article is that all are not
3. most "illegal" guns start as "legal" guns because we have a country that allows them to be sold in the MILLIONS . .


The biggest point though . . . . and the reason Illuminator has so much egg on his face . . . . is that Stop & Frisk would not work if more guns did not equal more gun violence. In other words, Stop & Frisk works to reduce gun violence by FRISKING . . . that is a word that means searching . .  and the search is not for "criminals" ..  . it is searching for . . . . a GUN . ..  and then taking that gun off the street.

These boards are littered with people saying that reducing the number of guns would NOT reduce gun violence.  See Illuminator/VonMIses/Buttfucious as an example.  It was never true, as illustrated, but some will maintain as much . . . . . or just scramble around like Illuminator . .  looking for some way to weasel out of his/her own words

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« #21 : December 18, 2013, 12:09:21 PM »

Now approved for school use.


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« #22 : December 18, 2013, 12:13:08 PM »

The insane thing is that the article says nothing really about taking away guns or gun control at all. .

"Less than two weeks later, those steps led to the arrest of one of the Rockwell Boys for the shooting. It wasn’t a kid from the original four, but an associate police found through the same network. At the same time, in the days the case was open, McNaughton’s cops were all over the predicted scenes. They made a dozen more arrests than in the same period the year before, catching one of the Rockwell Boys with a gun a block from where they expected the next spree — a shootout that McNaughton says never did happen."

That is a Stop & Frisk and the reason that they are having success in Chicago is not just that they are using data to predict a future crime and then flooding the potential scene -- although that is a part, the presence helps -- it is that they are using Stop & Frisk.  Look again where the new police chief came from. It's discussed in the article:

“Chicago is the new New York when it comes to stop-and-frisk,” said Harvey Grossman, legal director for the American Civil Liberties Union in Illinois.

There's plenty more info available. From a simple Google search:


How stop and frisk works in Chicago | Bleader | Chicago Reader

www.chicagoreader.com/Bleader/.../how-stop-and-frisk-works-in-chicag...‎


Aug 26, 2013 - Police practices in Chicago may be less flawed than New York's, but they cause the same tensions between public safety and personal liberty.

Poor data keep Chicago's stop and frisk hidden from scrutiny | WBEZ ...

www.wbez.org/.../poor-data-keeps-chicagos-stop-and-frisk-hidden-scruti...‎

Sep 12, 2013 - In Chicago, stop and frisk is alive and well – but relatively unchecked. Encounters with Chicago police officers often begin with a little-known ...

Chicago, New York officers spar over stop-and-frisk policy - CNN.com

www.cnn.com/2013/08/14/us/new-york-chicago-stop-frisk‎

Aug 14, 2013 - Police departments in Chicago and New York are trading barbs after a federal judge ruled that New York City's stop-and-frisk policy was ...

Stop and frisk in Chicago - Interesting Chicago - ChicagoNow

www.chicagonow.com/interesting-chicago/.../stop-and-frisk-in-chicago/‎





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Again, the "frisk" of that story was fairly incident, to what they are talking about.  The fact that the data analysis pointed them to associates of the shooter and to the location is really what it is about and then go figure when they detain suspects they search them.  This program is actually quite interesting as I read more on it and a lot more interesting than being reduced to a simple stop and frisk policy.

That's drawing a pretty fine line, focusing on the article but not the substance.  The "frisk" aspect is NOT highlighted in the story. Correct, even though I provide a quote that relates to the FRISK. The FRISK aspect is not highlighted in the article because as I said before the data portion has an intriguing "Minority Report" quality to it. BUT, the actual program used in Chicago that is presently working to reduce gun violence  is 100% Stop & Frisk.  In fact, Chicago hired the guy from NYC to bring the program to Chicago.  If you read the article you should notice that they say its not just flooding a potential crime scene.

Anyway, the point isn't what this specific article highlights, it is that Stop & Frisk works . . . . even though Illuminator says that it should not . . . . I mean he said that once . .  but now . . .well . .   um . . . he can explain, he's just here for attention anyway.  ;)
« : December 18, 2013, 12:21:46 PM VinBucFan »

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« #23 : December 18, 2013, 12:21:00 PM »

Roses are red
Violets are blue
I've got a gun
Get in the van

Illuminator, when you crawl out from under that rock, you should give some thought to self-esteem classes.  I mean, I think you are WRONG about guns, but that doesn't mean you should call yourself "an inbred, bucktoothed halfwit with penis breath and a mullet"

Less guns in the wrong hands decreases gun violence. .

. Anyone telling you that "MORE GUNS = MORE GUN VIOLENCE" is just flat out wrong, and likely an inbred, bucktoothed halfwit with penis breath and a mullet."


Show the bravest of the brave kids that you have their back.  Go to http://www.childrenscancercenter.org/

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« #24 : December 18, 2013, 12:26:30 PM »


The Ruskies are coming!
And they've got fully automatic, recoilless shotguns!
It's called the assault shotgun, because that's what an assault weapon is - fully automatic. Watch towards the end of the vid when he dips it into a bucket of water.


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« #25 : December 18, 2013, 12:35:30 PM »


The Ruskies are coming!
And they've got fully automatic, recoilless shotguns!
It's called the assault shotgun, because that's what an assault weapon is - fully automatic. Watch towards the end of the vid when he dips it into a bucket of water.

poor Illuminator . . . caught in his own pile of BS, he knows only to deflect, deflect, deflect . .  change the subject . .  "Mommy, make it all go away!"

Less guns in the wrong hands decreases gun violence. .

. Anyone telling you that "MORE GUNS = MORE GUN VIOLENCE" is just flat out wrong, and likely an inbred, bucktoothed halfwit with penis breath and a mullet."

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« #26 : December 18, 2013, 12:54:15 PM »


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« #27 : December 18, 2013, 01:04:57 PM »

lol . . . poor exposed Illuminator

funny watching you try so hard . . . in a thread you say I only created for attention . . . .fragile little creature you must be . .  here's a video for you:

« : December 18, 2013, 01:08:24 PM VinBucFan »

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« #28 : December 18, 2013, 01:23:37 PM »

Few quick comments:

1. you are assuming all the guns being confiscated are illegal
2. you are assuming all involved are criminals, the clear point of the article is that all are not
3. most "illegal" guns start as "legal" guns because we have a country that allows them to be sold in the MILLIONS . .



The article clearly states they focus on gangs and people who commit the most crime. So if they are in possession of a firearm they will be in possession of them  illegally.  In response to point 3, I think the article shows that removing firearms from the bad guys dramatically reduces gun violence and murder, not simply removing firearms.

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« #29 : December 18, 2013, 01:30:22 PM »


One day in a Chicago schoolyard...

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