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: January 22, 2014, 03:46:04 AM


Pocket passers no longer future for QBs in NFL

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By Ross Tucker      Sporting News
 
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The quarterback of the future will be on display in Super Bowl XLVIII and no, it's not 37-year-old Peyton Manning. Not by a long shot.

 It's Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson and young athletic signal-callers like him, but not because of the reasons you might think.

 There's no question the NFL game is slowly changing. Some would say evolving.
 

Quarterbacks are running the ball with greater frequency and efficiency than ever before. The read-option play has proven to be very effective although the rampant success that teams had with it in 2012 was tempered a bit by better prepared defenses in 2013.  Still, it's a play that's here to stay, even if it's just as a changeup.

 In fact, designed quarterback runs in general are here for good. If you need any more evidence just look at the first half of the NFC Championship Game. The 49ers called a number of run plays for Colin Kaepernick and it paid off as he ended the game with 130 yards on just 11 carries. Some of those yards came when Kaepernick scrambled on passing plays but that just adds to my point about the value of athletic playmakers at the quarterback position. And that doesn't even include the crazy jump-pass that he threw to Anquan Boldin for a touchdown. I still don't know how he did that.

 The fact that a coach like Jim Harbaugh and a team like the 49ers would call that many designed QB runs in a do-or-die game tells you everything you need to know about their opinion of both Kaepernick and the QB position. It tells you they have more faith in his legs than in his abilities as a pocket passer. It also tells you they believe designed quarterback runs are an important part of an offense, especially when a team's season is on the line and they aren't as worried about the risk of injury.

 Those are all strong reasons why guys like Kaepernick and Wilson are the future of the quarterback position, but they're not my reasons. At least not my overarching one.

The No. 1 reason why I think athletic playmaking quarterbacks are here to stay?  Elite pocket passers are either a dying breed or too hard to find or both.

 Think about it. The best ones are still, after all these years, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady at ages 37 and 36, respectively. The only other pure pocket passer that may be in their class is Drew Brees. He's 35. Within five years and likely sooner they will all be out of the league. And then what?

 Aaron Rodgers is the obvious heir apparent but he's firmly on the borderline between being a pure pocket passer and a young athletic playmaker. Most of his work is in rhythm from the pocket like the aforementioned three but he's got plenty of Houdini-like plays like the throw to Randall Cobb against the 49ers in the wild-card round as well.

 Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has always been more of a playmaker than a coolly efficient pocket surgeon. Most teams that defend him actually prefer when he is getting rid of the ball in rhythm and staying in the pocket. That means he's not really an elite pocket passer.

 The point is either we aren't training quarterbacks the right way or we just aren't making 'em like Manning, Brady and Brees anymore.

 Matthew Stafford, Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco have all had various levels of success in their own way but they aren't in the same class as the other guys. Not even close.

 Eli Manning's had high level success with two Super Bowl victories but is wildly inconsistent. Phillip Rivers had a nice bounce back year but the jury on him is still out. Andy Dalton? Don't even go there.

 Based on this season, unless you have a truly elite pocket passer, and I don't see many (any?) young ones out there, you are going to have much more success with a guy that's capable of making several plays with his feet per game. Those third-down conversions that guys like Cam Newton gobble up are back-breakers for a defense and can often make the difference in the game.

 The bottom line is that athletic playmaking quarterbacks are the future of the NFL because it is easier for a player to be one and thus for teams to find one then it is to be a pocket savant. There's a lot more guys out there with great feet than there are with beautiful minds and computer-like efficiency. There just is.

 The one great hope for pure pocket passers moving forward is Andrew Luck but his presence only serves to strengthen my argument, not hurt it. First of all, Luck is a much better athlete than people give him credit for and makes a lot more plays with his feet than people realize. Just look at his rushing yardage and touchdown totals. Secondly, even if we choose to classify him as a pure pocket passer he's not at the same level as the other guys yet.

 Let's say Luck does in fact get to that level. That's it? That's all you got? The supposed best quarterback prospect in the last 25 years is the one guy capable of playing the position primarily with his ability to process information quickly at a high level?

 You can have your Luck and I'll raise you a Wilson,  a Kaepernick, a Newton and a Griffin III.

 In fact, give me a Manziel as well, the former Heisman winner known as Johnny Football who has entered this year's draft and is known for his proficiency as a playmaker, not pocket passer.

 Based on the last couple years and the way the NFL appears to be headed, the odds are Manziel has a much better chance for high-level success than the pocket passers that are coming out.

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#1 : January 22, 2014, 05:37:05 AM

Pocket passers are the future but most of them can also run if they need to.

Look at the top 3 QB'S this year.
Bridgewater Bortles and JFF can all run.
Only JFF isn't a pocket passer though.

This is the new breed of pocket passer. Bridgewater and Bortles.

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#2 : January 22, 2014, 05:39:32 AM

Sorry to break the news to whoever wrote that article but Luck is a great scrambler when he has to.

If you are looking for a pure pocket passer there simply aren't anymore around who are that good coming out of college.

Hell even Nick Foles runs the ball.

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#3 : January 22, 2014, 06:06:23 AM

Sorry to break the news to whoever wrote that article but Luck is a great scrambler when he has to.

If you are looking for a pure pocket passer there simply aren't anymore around who are that good coming out of college.

Hell even Nick Foles runs the ball.

Actually the author does point out the fact that Luck is a very underrated runner, and thus not in the same mode as manning/brady/brees. However that said, out of al the young qbs he has the best chance of developing those elite pocket skills. Rodgers and luck are much more analogs, only real difference being size.

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#4 : January 22, 2014, 06:23:24 AM

I've been hearing this for a dozen years now.  A pocket QB won last year and I'm guessing one is going to win this year. 


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#5 : January 22, 2014, 06:24:47 AM

Yeah I think Rodgers and Luck are both pocket passers of the future.

Both have great pocket presence are smart and have cannons.

Who are the pocket passers today?  Romo Stafford Dalton Freeman Rivers Eli Ben.....oh yeah the Twig Cannon is a pocket passer.
They are not exactly lighting it up.

Pocket passer = immobile. In order for a pocket passer to succeed in the NFL he needs to be elite. Smart, quick release, great system and great supporting cast. That is why the pocket passer in the old sense is dead. The game has evolved.

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#6 : January 22, 2014, 07:21:54 AM

this article is so full of fail the word "epic" fails as an adjective to describe it.  I feel dumber for having read it. 

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#7 : January 22, 2014, 08:09:02 AM

They said it with Cunningham.  They said it with Vick.  They said it with RGIII.  Show me how many rings they have.

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#8 : January 22, 2014, 08:14:46 AM

In the end it still all comes back to their ability to pass from the pocket. You can't live playing Flutie ball in the NFL.

What the author misses is that elusiveness isn't just about running around. Guess who are among the most sacked QB's in the league: Wilson, Kaep, Newton and Foles are all sacked at higher rates than Joe Flacco or Carson Palmer. Mobility gives and mobilty taketh away. Lowest sack rates BTW: Manning, Stafford, McCown, Dalton, Cutler, Campbell and Rivers. Toss in that while running QB's can pile up yards on screambles what is missed is how often they miss a play to run. Kap runs for 5 yards but doesn't see Boldin for 15. Is that really a "good" play?

All posts are opinions in case you are too stupid to figure that out on your own without me saying it over and over.
If you think Manziel is the best QB in this draft I can safely assume you are an idiot and will treat you as such.

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#9 : January 22, 2014, 08:46:29 AM

This debate always takes me back to the Rams vs. Titans superbowl. When pocket passer Kurt Warner eeked out the win over somewhat mobile Steve McNair.

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#10 : January 22, 2014, 08:52:55 AM

I've been hearing this for a dozen years now.  A pocket QB won last year and I'm guessing one is going to win this year.

Agreed 100%. The NFL tries to force scrambling QBs down my throat on a daily basis. Yet it seems as though the two most dominate QBs in the NFL are still pocket passers. And it always seems as though they are the ones winning the super bowls.


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#11 : January 22, 2014, 09:21:54 AM

I think that the level of QB play is higher than  ever. More guys can make all the throws. Having athleticism is the difference between getting a shot and not.  Pocket QBs are going nowhere, they just have to be able to run now,  too.

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#12 : January 22, 2014, 09:29:47 AM

Skirt wearing QBs have the rules bent in their favor.


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#13 : January 22, 2014, 09:30:44 AM

I've been hearing this for a dozen years now.  A pocket QB won last year and I'm guessing one is going to win this year.

Agreed 100%. The NFL tries to force scrambling QBs down my throat on a daily basis. Yet it seems as though the two most dominate QBs in the NFL are still pocket passers. And it always seems as though they are the ones winning the super bowls.


The argument the author wants to make is that once the dinosaurs of Brees, manning and Brady pass the scene who are the pocket passers to ascend to their throne?  He tries to say Rodgers is mobile and Luck is mobile so they aren't pocket passers but the reality is neither guys really runs by design often and their real threat is from the pocket.  People forget that most younger QBs aren't statues. Aikman didn't run much, but he wasn't a stiff, he was recruited to an option offense in college before he transferred. Brady and Manning both did more rollouts when they were younger than they do now.

All posts are opinions in case you are too stupid to figure that out on your own without me saying it over and over.
If you think Manziel is the best QB in this draft I can safely assume you are an idiot and will treat you as such.

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#14 : January 22, 2014, 09:36:25 AM

Yeah I think Rodgers and Luck are both pocket passers of the future.

Both have great pocket presence are smart and have cannons.

Who are the pocket passers today?  Romo Stafford Dalton Freeman Rivers Eli Ben.....oh yeah the Twig Cannon is a pocket passer.
They are not exactly lighting it up.

Pocket passer = immobile. In order for a pocket passer to succeed in the NFL he needs to be elite. Smart, quick release, great system and great supporting cast. That is why the pocket passer in the old sense is dead. The game has evolved.

Luck has a cannon? HAHAHAHA.

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