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#30 : January 26, 2014, 12:09:08 AM

I've noticed that most of Glennon's passing yards came in the air and not after the catch. I think some of it is in fact because we need some offensive weapons that are better at YAC. Getting Mike Will and Martin back will certainly help. Drafting an explosive slot and stud TE would help too. This of course can all be seen as a reason to say Glennon is actually really good and promising and he struggled because of the lack of talent around him. I agree to a point but.....

I see it another way and I am sure it's cause I'm a hater and he isn't cute enough. I think a much bigger reason for that stat is that Glennon so often threw short little dump offs to guys that were completely covered and immediately tackled. On 3rd and long he almost always threw a 5 yard pass to a guy that had a defender hanging on his back. That has a huge effect on this stat.

I don't think he's going anywhere though, so we will all find out together if he is better with more talent around him.

Well you are wrong about his dink and dunk propensity, he didn't throw short all that more often than a lot of other QBs that you'd love to have like Rodgers and Luck.

He was ranked 13th in air yards per attempt at 4.5 64.5% of his passing yards were through the air which leads the NFL. Ranked 18th in total air yards.


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#31 : January 26, 2014, 12:22:22 AM

I've noticed that most of Glennon's passing yards came in the air and not after the catch. I think some of it is in fact because we need some offensive weapons that are better at YAC. Getting Mike Will and Martin back will certainly help. Drafting an explosive slot and stud TE would help too. This of course can all be seen as a reason to say Glennon is actually really good and promising and he struggled because of the lack of talent around him. I agree to a point but.....

I see it another way and I am sure it's cause I'm a hater and he isn't cute enough. I think a much bigger reason for that stat is that Glennon so often threw short little dump offs to guys that were completely covered and immediately tackled. On 3rd and long he almost always threw a 5 yard pass to a guy that had a defender hanging on his back. That has a huge effect on this stat.

I don't think he's going anywhere though, so we will all find out together if he is better with more talent around him.

Good post. I did see Glennon do that quite a bit. He would miss an open guy and just check it down. Maybe where we differ is that I believe that can be coached out of him. Maybe Schiano caused him to do stuff such as that? The good news is Schiano is gone. So if Glennon is who I think he could be then we'll see progress. If it turns out he needs plastic surgery then well we won't see progress. Hopefully he is like wine and gets cuter the more you drink. We will see.


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#32 : January 26, 2014, 12:33:00 AM

I addressed it. If the other 3 QB's had been rookies last season their stats would have dwarfed Glennon's stats. Look, I know you want to keep Glennon as the starter, but everything points to not being a winner in the NFL.

That's you making assumptions. The NFL hasn't changed that much since Ryan and Newton came into the league. You can make assumptions all you want, but stats are stats.

Stats are numbers.... game film is what matters. You like Glennon and think he can be a top-tier QB. I think Glennon is an above average career backup.

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#33 : January 26, 2014, 12:42:38 AM

I addressed it. If the other 3 QB's had been rookies last season their stats would have dwarfed Glennon's stats. Look, I know you want to keep Glennon as the starter, but everything points to not being a winner in the NFL.

That's you making assumptions. The NFL hasn't changed that much since Ryan and Newton came into the league. You can make assumptions all you want, but stats are stats.

Stats are numbers.... game film is what matters. You like Glennon and think he can be a top-tier QB. I think Glennon is an above average career backup.

We will see.


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#34 : January 26, 2014, 12:44:03 AM

I addressed it. If the other 3 QB's had been rookies last season their stats would have dwarfed Glennon's stats. Look, I know you want to keep Glennon as the starter, but everything points to not being a winner in the NFL.

That's you making assumptions. The NFL hasn't changed that much since Ryan and Newton came into the league. You can make assumptions all you want, but stats are stats.

Stats are numbers.... game film is what matters. You like Glennon and think he can be a top-tier QB. I think Glennon is an above average career backup.

We will see.
Luckily for us his biggest cheerleader is gone. He will actually have to earn a spot this year.

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#35 : January 26, 2014, 01:44:26 AM

I've noticed that most of Glennon's passing yards came in the air and not after the catch. I think some of it is in fact because we need some offensive weapons that are better at YAC. Getting Mike Will and Martin back will certainly help. Drafting an explosive slot and stud TE would help too. This of course can all be seen as a reason to say Glennon is actually really good and promising and he struggled because of the lack of talent around him. I agree to a point but.....

I see it another way and I am sure it's cause I'm a hater and he isn't cute enough. I think a much bigger reason for that stat is that Glennon so often threw short little dump offs to guys that were completely covered and immediately tackled. On 3rd and long he almost always threw a 5 yard pass to a guy that had a defender hanging on his back. That has a huge effect on this stat.

I don't think he's going anywhere though, so we will all find out together if he is better with more talent around him.

Well you are wrong about his dink and dunk propensity, he didn't throw short all that more often than a lot of other QBs that you'd love to have like Rodgers and Luck.


C'mon now. Don't be silly. Every QB has the majority of their pass attempts land in that 1-10 yard range. The difference is when and how. Rodgers or Luck will move around to extend a play if they have to until someone gets open and then make that 5 yard pass to convert a 3rd down. Glennon can't do that. Too many times I watched him either take a sack or throw a check down to someone who was blanketed by a defender on 3rd down. On 3rd and 8 a defense plays off and lets you have the 5 yard reception all day long.

Also, if you look at Glennons throws on 3rd and 6+ yards to go, he actually has a higher completion rate than Rodgers.....but his average pass in that situation was just 5.6 yards, which is less than 6 so most of the time it did not result in a conversion. Rodgers average in the same situation was 8.7.....which generally did result in a conversion. If you look at completion rate or the air yards/YAC without context of when and where they happened, it is easy to be fooled.....but while completing a 5 yard pass play on 3rd and 6 might make your completion % look nice, it doesn't actually help you win.



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#36 : January 26, 2014, 02:17:38 AM

Great, all this shows is that we have the 4th best QB in the division.  Not going to win much that way.

Are you just comparing rookie Glennon to the vet's 2013 seasons? Because if you compare Glennon's stats to them as rookie's and 2nd year guys Glennon is on par with them.
This was addressed already.
It was addressed....though poorly.  You make it sound like Bree's came into the league when Kosar was still ripping it for the browns.

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#37 : January 26, 2014, 02:31:24 AM

Good points jd.

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#38 : January 26, 2014, 02:50:11 AM

I've been saying this for awhile, people have very short memories.  People keep comparing Glennon vs his contemporaries during the primes of their careers and not comparing him to them as rookies.  He seems to be inline with many of these "franchise" QB's when you compare him to them as rookies.  Throw in the leagues worst rated Oline...and I can't understand people thought process.

What?  Our rookie QB isn't as good as Drew Brees in his prime?  He must be awful and not worth keeping!

On a serious note I agree with you completely.  Everybody wants one of these vogue running QBs despite their historical lack of success.  Between the phenom that is Andrew Luck and Russel Wilson being drafted by a really good team I think the expectations for rookie QBs will be absurd for a while.

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#39 : January 26, 2014, 07:50:28 AM

    Not only was Glennon a rookie, but he got 2nd/3rd-string snaps in TC. A Tedford TC will make a huge difference.

    Too few play-maker receivers and way too many long-developing routes certainly depressed Glennon's performance. A good coach accents his players' strengths and hides their weaknesses. Sullivan failed badly; didn't have the right players (except Jackson) for his system. Been sayin' forever, fix those items and Glennon will be a whole different cat!

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#40 : January 26, 2014, 08:17:43 AM

I know some people think the NFL has always been slanted like this for the QB. It hasn't. Glennon was lucky enough to be a rookie in 2013 when the rules are in full effect. Glennon has some major flaws and Tedford has HUGE undertaking, unless he comes to the conclusion that he is a back up. Hey if Tedford says he can fix him then roll with him.

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#41 : January 26, 2014, 10:05:24 AM

Our WR's are a joke in YAC.....it's why we need Sammy.

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#42 : January 26, 2014, 10:20:53 AM

Our WR's are a joke in YAC.....it's why we need Sammy.

In 2012 Martin was 14th in the league in YAC. VJax was 20th. Mike Will was 34th. Considering that is a stat for all RBsm TEs, and WRs.....it is pretty good to have three guys in the top 35. Getting back Mike Will and Martin will help a lot. Getting a solid slot and stud TE would do a lot more.


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#43 : January 26, 2014, 10:24:18 AM

I've noticed that most of Glennon's passing yards came in the air and not after the catch. I think some of it is in fact because we need some offensive weapons that are better at YAC. Getting Mike Will and Martin back will certainly help. Drafting an explosive slot and stud TE would help too. This of course can all be seen as a reason to say Glennon is actually really good and promising and he struggled because of the lack of talent around him. I agree to a point but.....

I see it another way and I am sure it's cause I'm a hater and he isn't cute enough. I think a much bigger reason for that stat is that Glennon so often threw short little dump offs to guys that were completely covered and immediately tackled. On 3rd and long he almost always threw a 5 yard pass to a guy that had a defender hanging on his back. That has a huge effect on this stat.

I don't think he's going anywhere though, so we will all find out together if he is better with more talent around him.

Well you are wrong about his dink and dunk propensity, he didn't throw short all that more often than a lot of other QBs that you'd love to have like Rodgers and Luck.


C'mon now. Don't be silly. Every QB has the majority of their pass attempts land in that 1-10 yard range. The difference is when and how. Rodgers or Luck will move around to extend a play if they have to until someone gets open and then make that 5 yard pass to convert a 3rd down. Glennon can't do that. Too many times I watched him either take a sack or throw a check down to someone who was blanketed by a defender on 3rd down. On 3rd and 8 a defense plays off and lets you have the 5 yard reception all day long.

Also, if you look at Glennons throws on 3rd and 6+ yards to go, he actually has a higher completion rate than Rodgers.....but his average pass in that situation was just 5.6 yards, which is less than 6 so most of the time it did not result in a conversion. Rodgers average in the same situation was 8.7.....which generally did result in a conversion. If you look at completion rate or the air yards/YAC without context of when and where they happened, it is easy to be fooled.....but while completing a 5 yard pass play on 3rd and 6 might make your completion % look nice, it doesn't actually help you win.

Correct but again is his 5.6 because he isn't getting the RAC that Rodgers gets to get conversions?  That continues to be the problem is trying to separate the failure of the QB from the overall failure of the team. The differences for Glennon with other QBs is stark in this case.

All posts are opinions in case you are too stupid to figure that out on your own without me saying it over and over.

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#44 : January 26, 2014, 10:25:55 AM

Our WR's are a joke in YAC.....it's why we need Sammy.

Sammy as the #1 WR would let them move VJax to slot, where he's better suited...  would help the OL and QB, too.

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