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#30 : February 03, 2014, 07:18:56 PM

Are the days of the drop-back passer slowly fading in the NFL? Does the future at the QB position consist of players like Russell Wilson, Cam Newton and Colin Kaepernick? What does this mean for incumbent Bucs starter Mike Glennon? Read what new Tampa Bay QB coach Marcus Arroyo thinks about Glennon's future and if he is the right fit.

http://www.pewterreport.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=9621:&Itemid=15

That's the new "fad"....mobile QB's have early success but generally don't sustain year in and year out.  Do you honestly believe that if Seattle had Manning under center rather that Wilson they wouldn't be 100x better.  Wilson is, for the most part, a game manager....he's solid, protects the football, and can make a few plays with his feet when plays break down.  Lets not confuse Seattle's success with Wilson being a QB phenom.  The superbowl boiled down, essentially, as a 1vs11 chess match...Seattle's defense won.

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#31 : February 03, 2014, 08:21:25 PM

Are the days of the drop-back passer slowly fading in the NFL? Does the future at the QB position consist of players like Russell Wilson, Cam Newton and Colin Kaepernick? What does this mean for incumbent Bucs starter Mike Glennon? Read what new Tampa Bay QB coach Marcus Arroyo thinks about Glennon's future and if he is the right fit.

http://www.pewterreport.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=9621:&Itemid=15

That's the new "fad"....mobile QB's have early success but generally don't sustain year in and year out.  Do you honestly believe that if Seattle had Manning under center rather that Wilson they wouldn't be 100x better.  Wilson is, for the most part, a game manager....he's solid, protects the football, and can make a few plays with his feet when plays break down.  Lets not confuse Seattle's success with Wilson being a QB phenom.  The superbowl boiled down, essentially, as a 1vs11 chess match...Seattle's defense won.
 

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#32 : February 03, 2014, 08:37:24 PM

Are the days of the drop-back passer slowly fading in the NFL? Does the future at the QB position consist of players like Russell Wilson, Cam Newton and Colin Kaepernick? What does this mean for incumbent Bucs starter Mike Glennon? Read what new Tampa Bay QB coach Marcus Arroyo thinks about Glennon's future and if he is the right fit.

http://www.pewterreport.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=9621:&Itemid=15

That's the new "fad"....mobile QB's have early success but generally don't sustain year in and year out.  Do you honestly believe that if Seattle had Manning under center rather that Wilson they wouldn't be 100x better.  Wilson is, for the most part, a game manager....he's solid, protects the football, and can make a few plays with his feet when plays break down.  Lets not confuse Seattle's success with Wilson being a QB phenom.  The superbowl boiled down, essentially, as a 1vs11 chess match...Seattle's defense won.

Well, for a second year quarterback he's actually pretty historically **CENSORED**ing good now.  Individual statistics, offensive statistics, team results, however you want to look at it.  Look at how giddy some people are with first year Mike Glennon around here? 

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#33 : February 03, 2014, 08:39:43 PM

Are the days of the drop-back passer slowly fading in the NFL? Does the future at the QB position consist of players like Russell Wilson, Cam Newton and Colin Kaepernick? What does this mean for incumbent Bucs starter Mike Glennon? Read what new Tampa Bay QB coach Marcus Arroyo thinks about Glennon's future and if he is the right fit.

http://www.pewterreport.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=9621:&Itemid=15

That's the new "fad"....mobile QB's have early success but generally don't sustain year in and year out.  Do you honestly believe that if Seattle had Manning under center rather that Wilson they wouldn't be 100x better.  Wilson is, for the most part, a game manager....he's solid, protects the football, and can make a few plays with his feet when plays break down.  Lets not confuse Seattle's success with Wilson being a QB phenom.  The superbowl boiled down, essentially, as a 1vs11 chess match...Seattle's defense won.

Wilson did not turn the ball over in the playoffs

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#34 : February 03, 2014, 09:03:16 PM

It should make the Bucs realize you need a FS and SS instead of two SS.

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#35 : February 03, 2014, 09:03:21 PM

Are the days of the drop-back passer slowly fading in the NFL? Does the future at the QB position consist of players like Russell Wilson, Cam Newton and Colin Kaepernick? What does this mean for incumbent Bucs starter Mike Glennon? Read what new Tampa Bay QB coach Marcus Arroyo thinks about Glennon's future and if he is the right fit.

http://www.pewterreport.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=9621:&Itemid=15

That's the new "fad"....mobile QB's have early success but generally don't sustain year in and year out.  Do you honestly believe that if Seattle had Manning under center rather that Wilson they wouldn't be 100x better.  Wilson is, for the most part, a game manager....he's solid, protects the football, and can make a few plays with his feet when plays break down.  Lets not confuse Seattle's success with Wilson being a QB phenom.  The superbowl boiled down, essentially, as a 1vs11 chess match...Seattle's defense won.
Having Peyton Manning as your QB sounds great but where does it meet up with reality? I'd like to marry Kate Upton but that's not grounded in reality. Peyton Manning was drafted in 1998. Bill Clinton was still president then. So you can either wait your whole life for the next Peyton Manning to come around and hope you have the #1 pick that year, or you look for a player who can do 85-90% of what Manning can do, like Wilson, and move on with your life and try to win a championship.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#36 : February 03, 2014, 10:22:02 PM

Are the days of the drop-back passer slowly fading in the NFL? Does the future at the QB position consist of players like Russell Wilson, Cam Newton and Colin Kaepernick? What does this mean for incumbent Bucs starter Mike Glennon? Read what new Tampa Bay QB coach Marcus Arroyo thinks about Glennon's future and if he is the right fit.

http://www.pewterreport.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=9621:&Itemid=15

That's the new "fad"....mobile QB's have early success but generally don't sustain year in and year out.  Do you honestly believe that if Seattle had Manning under center rather that Wilson they wouldn't be 100x better.  Wilson is, for the most part, a game manager....he's solid, protects the football, and can make a few plays with his feet when plays break down.  Lets not confuse Seattle's success with Wilson being a QB phenom.  The superbowl boiled down, essentially, as a 1vs11 chess match...Seattle's defense won.
Having Peyton Manning as your QB sounds great but where does it meet up with reality? I'd like to marry Kate Upton but that's not grounded in reality. Peyton Manning was drafted in 1998. Bill Clinton was still president then. So you can either wait your whole life for the next Peyton Manning to come around and hope you have the #1 pick that year, or you look for a player who can do 85-90% of what Manning can do, like Wilson, and move on with your life and try to win a championship.

Problem is....having the number 1 pick doesn't mean anything.  The draft is a complete crap shoot.  That's one thing many poster around here can't seem to grab....just because you spend a 1st round pick, even the 1st pick overall, doesn't mean you have a franchise quarterback....doesn't even mean you have a good quarterback .  Picking QB's early is risky....if you miss, it sets the franchise back years....and missing is  happens far more frequently that hitting.

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#37 : February 03, 2014, 10:45:19 PM

Problem is....having the number 1 pick doesn't mean anything.  The draft is a complete crap shoot.  That's one thing many poster around here can't seem to grab....just because you spend a 1st round pick, even the 1st pick overall, doesn't mean you have a franchise quarterback....doesn't even mean you have a good quarterback .  Picking QB's early is risky....if you miss, it sets the franchise back years....and missing is  happens far more frequently that hitting.

Does that mean an organization should stop trying?

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#38 : February 03, 2014, 11:13:10 PM



Wilson did not turn the ball over in the playoffs


I think that is the point right there. He may not be the flashiest QB in the league. But the dude stays under control and doesn't give the game away. And I think any HC would be thrilled to have a guy like that.


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#39 : February 03, 2014, 11:25:13 PM



Wilson did not turn the ball over in the playoffs


I think that is the point right there. He may not be the flashiest QB in the league. But the dude stays under control and doesn't give the game away. And I think any HC would be thrilled to have a guy like that.
Especially true when the coach knows his team is better than his opponent at just about every other position. While a good QB can make up for a lot of faults at other positions, a QB who turns the ball over is just as capable of negating all the superior work put in by his teammates by causing his team to lose...

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#40 : February 03, 2014, 11:39:35 PM



Wilson did not turn the ball over in the playoffs


I think that is the point right there. He may not be the flashiest QB in the league. But the dude stays under control and doesn't give the game away. And I think any HC would be thrilled to have a guy like that.
Especially true when the coach knows his team is better than his opponent at just about every other position. While a good QB can make up for a lot of faults at other positions, a QB who turns the ball over is just as capable of negating all the superior work put in by his teammates by causing his team to lose...




He is always cool, calm and unflappable.  So when he sailed his first pass about 10 feet over the WR's head, I said uh-oh.  But he settled in nicely after that. 





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#41 : February 03, 2014, 11:53:54 PM

I think its best to have a QB that could take off if need be.  He doesn't have to be Barry Sanders, but just enough to keep the defense honest.


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#42 : February 04, 2014, 07:19:45 AM



Wilson did not turn the ball over in the playoffs

He didn't do much of anything else either .

In the 1st playoff game he only threw for 103 yards and 0 TD.

in the 2nd playoff game he only threw for 215 yards and 1 TD.


SO you are basically just telling us he played the Trent Dilfer caretaker role ....congrats to him.  ::)

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#43 : February 04, 2014, 08:20:34 AM

    The difference between between Wilson and Newton or Special K is his coolness under fire. They are both more athletic, but were a tad out of control at times in the playoffs. And THAT to me is what makes Wilson special; he's NOT your typical mobile QB.

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#44 : February 04, 2014, 08:27:40 AM

Are the days of the drop-back passer slowly fading in the NFL? Does the future at the QB position consist of players like Russell Wilson, Cam Newton and Colin Kaepernick? What does this mean for incumbent Bucs starter Mike Glennon? Read what new Tampa Bay QB coach Marcus Arroyo thinks about Glennon's future and if he is the right fit.

http://www.pewterreport.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=9621:&Itemid=15

That's the new "fad"....mobile QB's have early success but generally don't sustain year in and year out.  Do you honestly believe that if Seattle had Manning under center rather that Wilson they wouldn't be 100x better.  Wilson is, for the most part, a game manager....he's solid, protects the football, and can make a few plays with his feet when plays break down.  Lets not confuse Seattle's success with Wilson being a QB phenom.  The superbowl boiled down, essentially, as a 1vs11 chess match...Seattle's defense won.
Having Peyton Manning as your QB sounds great but where does it meet up with reality? I'd like to marry Kate Upton but that's not grounded in reality. Peyton Manning was drafted in 1998. Bill Clinton was still president then. So you can either wait your whole life for the next Peyton Manning to come around and hope you have the #1 pick that year, or you look for a player who can do 85-90% of what Manning can do, like Wilson, and move on with your life and try to win a championship.

Problem is....having the number 1 pick doesn't mean anything.  The draft is a complete crap shoot.  That's one thing many poster around here can't seem to grab....just because you spend a 1st round pick, even the 1st pick overall, doesn't mean you have a franchise quarterback....doesn't even mean you have a good quarterback .  Picking QB's early is risky....if you miss, it sets the franchise back years....and missing is  happens far more frequently that hitting.
I don't get your point, then. On one hand you say Russell Wilson isn't all that because he's not as good as Peyton Manning and then you say using a 1st round pick on a QB is overrated. Well, I'm sorry, but how many non-1st round QBs do you see that are better than Russell Wilson?

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.
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