Welcome, Guest
Pewter Report  >>  Boards  >>  The Red Board (Moderators: 3rd String Kicker, PRPatrol)  >>  Topic: Should The Bucs Make A run at Greg Hardy? « previous next »
Page: 1 2 3

TampaBucks05

*
Hall of Famer
******
Posts : 2411
Offline
#15 : February 09, 2014, 02:37:50 PM


It was Another contract year for Bennett.

Ok I missed that part.

However, I think the fact that you are using " in non-contract years"  to save your argument is complete BS and here's why. The use of "in non-contract years" fails to mention that he was a rookie in the 1st year (2010) of his contract and started zero games in that year. It also fails to mention that he missed six games in the third year of his four year contract. By using "in non-contract years" you are skewing his stats in favor of your argument while failing to take into account other factors that may have contributed to his lack of production during that time. If you are going to use such a phrase in your argument with out recognizing other underlying factors, your argument becomes flawed in a major way.


Snook

******
Hall of Famer

Posts : 9088
Offline
#16 : February 09, 2014, 02:41:32 PM

I want Justin Tuck ....he'll be cheaper and he's more versatile. He can play undertackle if McCoy gets hurt.




+1


seanbassak

*****
Pro Bowler

Posts : 1397
Offline
#17 : February 09, 2014, 03:31:10 PM

Hardy can play, but I have zero faith he cares about much else besides the $$$. Every time he's interviewed that's all he seems to want to talk about.  I'd rather Licht not back up the Brinks truck for the guy, but I'd love his production on our team.

Not living, just killing time.

Bootz2004

****
Starter

Posts : 576
Offline
#18 : February 09, 2014, 03:43:14 PM

Averages 6 sacks a year in non-contract years, told the Panthers to give him a "crapload of money". I've seen this movie before.

So you havent seen the movie where the guy improves his play and numbers each year he's been in the league?
That isn't the scary part, it's the pay me type comments.
Be a professional, work your butt off, get that contract.
When you start throwing out "crapload of money" type comments it opens up a can of worms.

He wants to get paid. Can you blame him? Just because he's not being politically correct by American standards(I guess) doesn't mean that his comments will "open a can of worms".

Bootz2004

****
Starter

Posts : 576
Offline
#19 : February 09, 2014, 03:52:13 PM

Here's another instance of fans being lazy and uninformed. Hardy didn't have a "let me play hard" contract year. He's been a player the Panthers have developed since they drafted him. I know that's something Bucs fans aren't use to, players actually developing and getting better, but it does happen. Not every rookie has to play like an all-star from year 1 to be considered a good player. He's the type of player you'd ideally like to play. One who's shown the ability and tendency to get better from year 1 to year 4. Not like Mike Williams who started out great, they fell off then played great again before falling off again.

seanbassak

*****
Pro Bowler

Posts : 1397
Offline
#20 : February 09, 2014, 04:05:00 PM

I'm not saying he played well because of it being his contract year, the guy had a nice season in 2012 too. I just don't like what I've seen of him in his interviews. Not sure he's a guy I want to throw a ton of money at, that's all.

Not living, just killing time.

JC5100

******
Hall of Famer

Posts : 8297
Offline
#21 : February 09, 2014, 04:08:47 PM


It was Another contract year for Bennett.

Ok I missed that part.

However, I think the fact that you are using " in non-contract years"  to save your argument is complete BS and here's why. The use of "in non-contract years" fails to mention that he was a rookie in the 1st year (2010) of his contract and started zero games in that year. It also fails to mention that he missed six games in the third year of his four year contract. By using "in non-contract years" you are skewing his stats in favor of your argument while failing to take into account other factors that may have contributed to his lack of production during that time. If you are going to use such a phrase in your argument with out recognizing other underlying factors, your argument becomes flawed in a major way.

Its not saving my argument, it is my argument. I don't agree with giving big contracts to guys who have exponentially increased their stats the closer they get to free agency. Are their exceptions where I would be wrong, yes. But you can still sign someone else and be okay. If you sign the next Marcus Jones, Albert Haynesworth, Ray Edwards then you backed yourself into a corner.

Bootz2004

****
Starter

Posts : 576
Offline
#22 : February 09, 2014, 04:11:57 PM

I'm not saying he played well because of it being his contract year, the guy had a nice season in 2012 too. I just don't like what I've seen of him in his interviews. Not sure he's a guy I want to throw a ton of money at, that's all.

I'm never going to fault a guy for trying to increase his marketability or value in an interview. This is a game but it's a business 1st. And just because a guy doesn't say it publically doesn't mean they don't want to get what they feel they are worth.

Pepsi

*
Hall of Famer
******
Posts : 3071
Offline
#23 : February 09, 2014, 07:03:01 PM

We really should because of the massive need we have at that position but on the other hand we shouldn't because we really can't afford to be giving out yet another massive contract if we want a good overall team.
IF we were "one player away from the Super Bowl" and loading up I'd say go for it but we're about 10 players away from being a solid, consistent wild card contender.

We're definitely not 10 players away from being a wild card contender. If that was the case, then who knows if Schiano and staff were really all that bad, if we were really 10 people away from a wild card spot. Id say we are a pass rusher, WR, and Olineman away from being a playoff team.. We already fixed the entire coaching staff which was a bigger upgrade then the draft and free agency combined.



BucsOnDeck88

*****
Pro Bowler

Posts : 1646
Offline
#24 : February 09, 2014, 08:18:59 PM

+1 Not ten players more like a couple of OL and pass rushing DE and a QB away from the Superbowl, at most. Oh yea, and the NFL could expand the playoffs this season so that makes it even more likely that we get in soon.



Its ok, Ive been here before... - Lovie Smith    ---------     Hes a great coach, hes been there before. - Lavonte David
Hes a great coach.  - Mike Evans

buccaneer4ever

******
Hall of Famer

Posts : 5304
Offline
#25 : February 09, 2014, 08:43:47 PM

Averages 6 sacks a year in non-contract years, told the Panthers to give him a "crapload of money". I've seen this movie before.

So you havent seen the movie where the guy improves his play and numbers each year he's been in the league?
In his world, every player just plays hard until they can get paid and then shut it down. Thus you should never pay players.

Unless they are **CENSORED**ty quarterbacks, then you just blame their coaching for their performance and whine about it on the internet.


The Anti-Java

******
Hall of Famer

Posts : 23376
Offline
#26 : February 09, 2014, 09:34:40 PM

Nice player and still young.  But he will most likely want to go to a contender.  And he will sign somewhere for huge money.  I think the money he will cost, could be put to better use, by signing 2 free agents.


sig pic by chace1986

PewterReportMC....
\\\\\\\"Java, do you understand this a perfect example of why people beg me to suspend or ban you on a daily basis? Are you actually trying to make a point? Seriously what is the reason for even commenting. In fact why do you even bother coming to the boards? What happened to the intelligent poster from years ago?  A real shame. Like the Bucs yesterday, a wasted effort.\\\\\\\"

Bootz2004

****
Starter

Posts : 576
Offline
#27 : February 09, 2014, 09:45:31 PM

Nice player and still young.  But he will most likely want to go to a contender.  And he will sign somewhere for huge money.  I think the money he will cost, could be put to better use, by signing 2 free agents.

Contenders rarely go after top free agents. They are already contenders. They don't need to.

Benchwarmer#1

******
Hall of Famer

Posts : 13311
Offline
#28 : February 09, 2014, 09:51:04 PM

Him, Bennett, or allen would all be a good addition.

But I think he should be the target de IF two expectations were to be met.

1. Make sure before he signs that he has no hangups with his old team. Meaning, we pay him, he tells us what he knows. The lame loyalty crap that nicks has for the saints won't fly.

2. The money needs to be directed so that he won't hurt cap later on, because mccoy and david (maybe even revis) will be restructured or added to. So that means he basically will have to be down with upfront money.

But if he wants a huge payday that we aren't ready to hand out, we still have a couple of other options.

Naismith was right about Revis. Everyone else is a dummy.

The Anti-Java

******
Hall of Famer

Posts : 23376
Offline
#29 : February 09, 2014, 09:54:33 PM

Nice player and still young.  But he will most likely want to go to a contender.  And he will sign somewhere for huge money.  I think the money he will cost, could be put to better use, by signing 2 free agents.

Contenders rarely go after top free agents. They are already contenders. They don't need to.


And players getting old is a reason they would use free agency.


sig pic by chace1986

PewterReportMC....
\\\\\\\"Java, do you understand this a perfect example of why people beg me to suspend or ban you on a daily basis? Are you actually trying to make a point? Seriously what is the reason for even commenting. In fact why do you even bother coming to the boards? What happened to the intelligent poster from years ago?  A real shame. Like the Bucs yesterday, a wasted effort.\\\\\\\"
Page: 1 2 3
Pewter Report  >>  Boards  >>  The Red Board (Moderators: 3rd String Kicker, PRPatrol)  >>  Topic: Should The Bucs Make A run at Greg Hardy? « previous next »
:

Hide Tools Show Tools