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#15 : March 02, 2014, 10:58:11 PM

Sounds like the entire D-line could be blown up. Outside of McCoy, nobody is safe. Everyone is going to have a fire under their ass in camp. Love it.


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#16 : March 03, 2014, 01:04:58 AM

You gotta love Lovie. Especially the Clayborn comment. Clay plays with a lot of heart, but he offers little-to-no pass rush. He is replaceable


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#17 : March 03, 2014, 03:19:59 AM

They are putting underachievers on blast.I love it.
I wouldn't really consider Clayborn an underachiever... He overachieves if anything.

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#18 : March 03, 2014, 04:01:44 AM

Hopefully this means they are looking at Aaron Donald......paired with McCoy would be hard to stop.

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#19 : March 03, 2014, 06:09:19 AM

Sounds like the entire D-line could be blown up. Outside of McCoy, nobody is safe. Everyone is going to have a fire under their ass in camp. Love it.


Sounds like BOTH lines may be blown up. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole offseason agenda is only to rebuild up front on both sides of the ball. As exciting as a QB or Watkins would be, it would be hard for many to be disappointed with this approach.


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#20 : March 03, 2014, 06:40:31 AM

"We have to have a double-digit sack guy on the outside, and we don't have that right now."

Dolorous wins . Been banging this drum for months among a sea of idiots who want to take a Nose Tackle.
but what if aaron donald is the best pass rusher available at our pick?

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#21 : March 03, 2014, 07:30:20 AM

They are putting underachievers on blast.I love it.
I wouldn't really consider Clayborn an underachiever... He overachieves if anything.

He was a 1st round pick. Absolutely he has underachieved. His pass rush has not been acceptable. We need more from him.

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#22 : March 03, 2014, 07:33:51 AM

"We have to have a double-digit sack guy on the outside, and we don't have that right now."

Dolorous wins . Been banging this drum for months among a sea of idiots who want to take a Nose Tackle.
but what if aaron donald is the best pass rusher available at our pick?

Take the franchise LT and draft a DE in round 2 - Trent Murphy, Scott Crighton. Maybe Dee Ford or Kony Ealy will drop? I like both Josh Mauro and James Gayle later on. And yes, Michael Sam in the 4+ rounds.


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#23 : March 03, 2014, 07:34:19 AM

That all sounds great in theory but if teams find out that they can run the ball at will, that's exactly what they will do. Does the 12-8-08 MNF game against the Panthers ring a bell? Talk about a hopeless feeling. Both Kiffin's final Bucs teams and Morris' teams were pretty much that way. Schiano didn't do much else but at least he finally gave the Bucs a respectable run defense.

The run defense at the end of 2008 was a case of Jovan Haye and Chris Hovan being injured at the same time (Jimmy Wilkerson and Ryan Sims were playing DT vs Carolina) and the clock striking midnight on Kevin Carter and Brooks.

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#24 : March 03, 2014, 07:38:10 AM

Clayborn had a very nice rookie season. He was disruptive, had 7.5 sacks, and forced 3 fumbles. Not sure what more is expected from a rookie DE.

His second year he played 2 full games and went on IR for a torn ACL.

So last year was his return from that ACL and he was pretty good with 6 sacks and 2 forced fumbles. He was also 4th in the league in TFL with 18. I think it's fair to say he should be better this season with a full year between him and his ACL injury. Not everyone bounces back from an ACL immediately like Adrian Peterson. I think Adrian will have to earn his starting spot, which is great, but I think he will earn it and be very good in 2014.
: March 03, 2014, 08:02:21 AM JDouble


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#25 : March 03, 2014, 07:39:03 AM

"We have to have a double-digit sack guy on the outside, and we don't have that right now."

Dolorous wins . Been banging this drum for months among a sea of idiots who want to take a Nose Tackle.
but what if aaron donald is the best pass rusher available at our pick?

From Undertackle ? Maybe - unlikely but maybe.  From Nose or End ??  No way in hell he's the best pass rusher available.

What if a frog had wings ??

You can "what if" anything. What if we we make the pick and he becomes another Booger MacFarland  or Brian Price - a talented player , but an impactless Nose-tackle in our scheme ?  We've seen this story before , and it doesn't end like the NoseTackle Nobgobblers think it will.

Give me a lunchpail guy like Chartric Darby , and find me elite edge rushers instead. That is where the impact will be.

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#26 : March 03, 2014, 07:41:21 AM

Lovie agrees with me on Clayborn clearly. It's time to call him out . 6 sacks doesn't cut it from a RE in a Tampa 2.

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#27 : March 03, 2014, 07:49:46 AM

I look at the DTs during Lovie's time with the Bears, like Tommie Harris, Tank Johnson, Israel Idonije, Henry Melton, Stephen Paea, Amobi Okoye....and I think it's pretty obvious he wants both DTs to pass rush. Some folks just can't grasp it.
: March 03, 2014, 07:52:35 AM JDouble


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#28 : March 03, 2014, 08:06:38 AM

Clayborn had a very nice rookie season. He was disruptive, had 7.5 sacks, and forced 3 fumbles. Not sure what more is expected from a rookie DE.

His second year he played 2 full games and went on IR for a torn ACL.

So last year was his return from that ACL and he was pretty good with 6 sacks and 2 forced fumbles. He was also 4th in the league in TFL with 18. I think it's fair to say he should be better this season with a full year between him and his ACL injury. Not everyone bounces back from an ACL immediately like Adrian Peterson. I think Adrian will have to earn his starting spot, which is great, but I think he will earn it and be very good in 2014.



I agree with all of this.  I will also add that I saw a bunch of plays where AC was in coverage or was told to run all the way around the opposite tackle before going after the QB.  Hyperbole perhaps, but I think he will be much better in a scheme that just lets him get after the QB.

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#29 : March 03, 2014, 08:11:31 AM

Clayborn had a very nice rookie season. He was disruptive, had 7.5 sacks, and forced 3 fumbles. Not sure what more is expected from a rookie DE.

His second year he played 2 full games and went on IR for a torn ACL.

So last year was his return from that ACL and he was pretty good with 6 sacks and 2 forced fumbles. He was also 4th in the league in TFL with 18. I think it's fair to say he should be better this season with a full year between him and his ACL injury. Not everyone bounces back from an ACL immediately like Adrian Peterson. I think Adrian will have to earn his starting spot, which is great, but I think he will earn it and be very good in 2014.



I agree with all of this.  I will also add that I saw a bunch of plays where AC was in coverage or was told to run all the way around the opposite tackle before going after the QB.  Hyperbole perhaps, but I think he will be much better in a scheme that just lets him get after the QB.


Not hyperbole at all my friend. They had Clayborn playing a lot of LB last year and it was ridiculous. Clayborn's first tweet when Lovie was hired, was "Can't wait to put my hand in the dirt full time again"
: March 03, 2014, 08:13:51 AM JDouble

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