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: March 10, 2014, 09:14:59 AM

Ahh, those were the good ole' days . . .oh well

http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/09/manchester-united-nike-set-for-1-billion-deal-alternate-title-sure-theyre-a-poor-club/related/

striking this deal when the club is outside the front foour for the first time in recent memory



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#1 : March 10, 2014, 09:37:53 AM

I never did quite understand the crowd who think that by showing they're not doing it now they can prove that they weren't doing it before. Logically challenged I guess.

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#2 : March 10, 2014, 09:57:18 AM

I never did quite understand the crowd who think that by showing they're not doing it now they can prove that they weren't doing it before. Logically challenged I guess.

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#3 : March 10, 2014, 10:04:18 AM

Logically challenged I guess.


This is not proof it did not happen then, but it is proof that a lot of people here were worried about nothing. The Glazers stole ManU and it was never going to pull them down, the debt was always manageable, the deal a very good one . . . and shocking and this might sound . . the two entities have/had two different ledgers, balance statements etc with the ManU sheets being monitored by the backers.  Silly stuff of conspiracy theories then . . even more silly now, in hindsight.

Btw -- true to form:

Logically challenged I guess.

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#4 : March 10, 2014, 10:27:11 AM

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-22651038


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#5 : March 10, 2014, 10:34:42 AM

stop stalking me ........

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#6 : March 10, 2014, 11:29:13 AM

Yep, the Glazers went cheap on the Bucs until their other more important investments were secured, then they reinvested in the Bucs.

Precisely the way I said it would be all along.

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#7 : March 10, 2014, 11:41:43 AM

Yep, the Glazers went cheap on the Bucs until their other more important investments were secured, then they reinvested in the Bucs.

Precisely the way I said it would be all along.

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I guess it could be a coincidence that they stopped spending about the same time they borrowed and leveraged so much to buy ManU and then started spending again about the time that investment was really coming around.

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#8 : March 10, 2014, 11:53:00 AM

Yep, the Glazers went cheap on the Bucs until their other more important investments were secured, then they reinvested in the Bucs.

Precisely the way I said it would be all along.

the ManU conspiracy theorists never want to point to all the players the Bucs had to re-sign to 2nd contracts during that timeframe (because there were  almost none) or the CBA issue . . . its simpler to say "ManU is bleeding them dry" . . . which explains why the built the most extravagant practice facility in the NFL . . .etc


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#9 : March 10, 2014, 12:13:54 PM

and there we go, anyone who thinks that the 100's of millions of dollars spent/leveraged to buy the most expensive soccer team in the world may have influenced the Glazers to not spend as much in FA is a conspiracy theorist.   and you wonder why every conversation you have on here turns into a mudslinging affair (well you don't wonder, you blame everyone else).



As for that facility, it cost them what 10 million or so?    The sweetheart deal the Glazers got on Raymond James Stadium should more than cover that.   They've also probably made back that investment though the development of the rest of the property there.  If they haven't, they will.    All that is irrelevant to the point most made in that the spending on the players was affected by the Man U purchase.  OF course that is nothing more than speculation and discussion for fans, but this is a message board and that is what fans do.   They discuss.

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#10 : March 10, 2014, 03:37:39 PM

Well...ManU just came into a ton of money...

Manchester United Reportedly Signs $1 Billion Licensing Deal With Nike

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/03/10/manchester-united-reportedly-signs-1-billion-licen.aspx


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#11 : March 10, 2014, 04:43:29 PM

teams typically spend big money RE-SIGNING drafted players to larger second contracts.  Malcolm Glazer started buying ManU shares in 2003 and went public with the takeover in 2005.  People claim that the Bucs stopped spending in 2005-2009 because of ManU debt.  These are the Bucs draft picks 2001 - 2009:

1 14 14 Kenyatta Walker Offensive Tackle Florida
3 22 84 Dwight Smith Safety Akron
4 22 117 John Howell Safety Colorado State
5 20 151 Russ Hochstein Guard Nebraska
6 11 174 Jameel Cook Fullback Illinois
6 20 183 Ellis Wyms Defensive Tackle Mississippi State
7 5 205 Dauntae' Finger Tight End North Carolina
7 23 223 Than Merrill Safety Yale
7 34 234 Joe Tafoya Defensive End Arizona
Marquise Walker Wide Receiver Michigan
4 21 119 Travis Stephens Running Back Tennessee
5 22 157 Jermaine Phillips Safety Georgia
6 21 193 John Stamper Defensive End South Carolina
7 22 233 Tim Wansley Cornerback Georgia
7 40 250 Tracey Wistrom Tight End Nebraska
7 43 254 Aaron Lockett Wide Receiver Kansas State
7 44 255 Zack Quaccia
2 32 64 Dewayne White Defensive End Louisville
3 33 97 Chris Simms Quarterback Texas
4 33 130 Lance Nimmo Offensive Tackle West Virginia
4 36 133 Austin King Center Northwestern
5 33 168 Sean Mahan Guard Notre Dame
6 32 205 Torrie Cox
1 15 15 Michael Clayton Wide Receiver Louisiana State
3 16 79 Marquis Cooper Linebacker Washington
4 15 111 Will Allen Safety Ohio State
5 14 146 Jeb Terry Guard North Carolina
6 16 181 Nate Lawrie Tight End Yale
7 5 206 Mark Jones Wide Receiver Tennessee
7 27 228 Casey Cramer Fullback Dartmouth
7 51 252 Lenny Williams
1 5 5 Carnell Williams Running Back Auburn
2 4 36 Barrett Ruud Linebacker Nebraska
3 7 71 Alex Smith Tight End Stanford
3 27 91 Chris Colmer Offensive Tackle North Carolina State
4 6 107 Dan Buenning Guard Wisconsin
5 5 141 Donte Nicholson Safety Oklahoma
5 19 155 Larry Brackins Wide Receiver Pearl River Community College
6 4 178 Anthony Bryant Defensive Tackle Alabama
7 7 221 Rick Razzano Fullback Mississippi
7 11 225 Paris Warren Wide Receiver Utah
7 17 231 Hamza Abdullah Safety Washington State
7 39 253 J. R. Russell
1 23 23 Davin Joseph Guard Oklahoma
2 27 59 Jeremy Trueblood Offensive Tackle Boston College
3 26 90 Maurice Stovall Wide Receiver Notre Dame
4 25 122 Alan Zemaitis Cornerback Penn State
5 24 156 Julian Jenkins Defensive End Stanford
6 25 194 Bruce Gradkowski Quarterback Toledo
6 33 202 T. J. Williams Tight End North Carolina State
7 27 235 Justin Phinisee Cornerback Oregon
7 33 241 Charles Bennett Defensive End Clemson
7 36 244 Tim Massaquoi
1 4 4 Gaines Adams Defensive End Clemson
2 3 35 Arron Sears Guard Tennessee
2 32 64 Sabby Piscitelli Safety Oregon State
3 4 68 Quincy Black Linebacker New Mexico
4 7 106 Tanard Jackson Safety Syracuse
5 4 141 Greg Peterson Defensive Tackle North Carolina Central
6 8 182 Adam Hayward Linebacker Portland State
7 4 214 Chris Denman Offensive Tackle Fresno State
7 35 245 Marcus Hamilton Cornerback Virginia
7 36 246 Kenneth Darby
1 20 20 Aqib Talib Cornerback Kansas
2 27 58 Dexter Jackson Wide Receiver Appalachian State
3 20 83 Jeremy Zuttah Guard Rutgers
4 16 115 Dre Moore Defensive Tackle Maryland
5 25 160 Josh Johnson Quarterback San Diego
6 8 217 Geno Hayes Linebacker Florida State
7 31 238 Cory Boyd
1 17 17 Josh Freeman Quarterback Kansas State
3 17 81 Roy Miller Defensive Tackle Texas
4 17 117 Kyle Moore Defensive End Southern California
5 19 155 Xavier Fulton Offensive Tackle Illinois
7 8 217 E. J. Biggers Cornerback Western Michigan
7 24 233 Sammie Stroughter Wide Receiver Oregon State

The problem with conspiracy theories is they rely on facts SELECTIVELY. The only players worthy of big second contracts over those many years are Michael Clayton and Davin Joseph and Quincy Black.  They were given large second contracts that, in hindsight, they didn't even deserve. The ManU conspiracy ignores that.  A supposedly cash-strapped team doesn't still OVERPAY for drafted players, particularly MARGINAL players . .  it trades them or cuts them. 

Here's another disconnect:  some claimed ManU bled the Bucs dry to the point that the Bucs were firing of a few security guards . . . . BUT those fired security guards were doing what before they were fired? Working at a state-of-the-art One Bucs Place built during the timeframe when ManU was supposedly bleeding the Bucs dry?  Huh?

The Bucs were not big players in free agency during that period BUT neither were a number of teams, including notably small market teams  . . as the NFL approached the new CBA.  None of those teams purchased ManU so what was their reason for not going big in FA?


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#12 : March 10, 2014, 05:57:33 PM

The problem with VinBot theories is they rely on facts SELECTIVELY.

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#13 : March 10, 2014, 06:32:27 PM

"Here's another disconnect:  some claimed ManU bled the Bucs dry to the point that the Bucs were firing of a few security guards . . . . BUT those fired security guards were doing what before they were fired? Working at a state-of-the-art One Bucs Place built during the timeframe when ManU was supposedly bleeding the Bucs dry?  Huh?"


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Haha.

What an idiot . This guy''s a lawyer? I wouldn't hire this guy to run the freakin' photocopier.

Lmao.

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#14 : March 10, 2014, 08:09:41 PM

hmmmmm, nothing on that big list of players . . .  but a couple of posts about Vin.

lol
: March 10, 2014, 08:11:14 PM VinBucFan

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