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« #15 : March 13, 2014, 11:48:07 AM »

oh  ... its not that he's unqualified by education or experience ... its that he's "unqualified" because he believes guns present a public health issue

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/nra-tries-sink-surgeon-general-nominee-vivek-murthy

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« #16 : March 13, 2014, 12:17:38 PM »

oh  ... its not that he's unqualified by education or experience ... its that he's "unqualified" because he believes guns present a public health issue

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/nra-tries-sink-surgeon-general-nominee-vivek-murthy

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except its not. The guy is SUPREMELY qualified, how could anyone be more qualified if you read his resume? And yet the NRA is THREATENING (perfectly accurate word in this instance) to "score" the vote -- meaning, they are strong-arming elected officials, because the guy says what C Everett Koop said before him, which is that guns are a public health issue. LOL

The surest sign that a party's position is unsupported by logic is an attempt to SQUELCH the conversation. . . . . .which, is what the NRA is doing . . ..  they don't want a public official with that view of guns because of his ability to spread that word . . . . .what's next, the NRA starts a campaign to burn books?  lol

 (incidentally, you see a lot of that same approach in these threads, don't you? lol)


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« #17 : March 13, 2014, 12:26:15 PM »


 (incidentally, you see a lot of that same approach in these threads, don't you? lol)

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« #18 : March 13, 2014, 12:26:56 PM »

How much does one of those things run ya?

$200.00

Ugh!~ :-[

The bike?  or the pedals?

Haha!

I wish. Bike's pretty close to 2500.00

Yeah, I know. My kid thinks I'm crazy, too. I told her if I don't get the bike then she doesn't get the prom dress.  ;)

I thought it should be $2000 +.   Tell her she can ride the bike to prom.

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« #19 : March 13, 2014, 12:29:13 PM »


 (incidentally, you see a lot of that same approach in these threads, don't you? lol)

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lol, the complete lack of self esteem doesn't allow the guy to have a discussion/debate on the board without trying to insult anyone that doesn't agree with him.   Trying being a key word.

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« #20 : March 13, 2014, 01:08:26 PM »

Washington Post:

The Senate HELP committee voted recently to support Vivek Murthy's nomination to be surgeon general of the United States. The full Senate is now set for a vote. Murthy’s nomination was supported by every HELP Committee Democrat, alongside Republican Sen. Mark Kirk (Ill.).  Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) has placed a hold on Murthy's nomination. But under "nuclear option" rules, Murthy can be confirmed through a simple majority vote.

Paul looks askance at Murthy's activities on behalf of health reform. The senator especially rejects Murthy's views on gun policy. Doctors for America, the health reform advocacy group Murthy co-founded in 2009, sent this public letter to Congress with recommendations on gun policy after the Sandy Hook school massacre.  Not surprisingly, the National Rifle Association strongly opposes Murthy and has announced that it will "score" this vote in determining senators' overall NRA ratings.

Neither liberals nor conservatives hold a monopoly of wisdom on gun policy. Reducing America’s high rate of gun violence demands less shouting and scoring and more methodical implementation of evidence-based policies to disrupt underground gun markets, to improve porous background check systems, to regulate particularly lethal weapons and to better-protect people at risk of accidents or suicide.

Murthy testified to the Senate HELP committee that child obesity, not guns, would be his main priority. An effective surgeon general must focus on one or two central issues on which he or she can command broad support across partisan lines. Gun policy is so polarizing right now. That’s an understandable decision. For the record, though, there’s nothing radical or strange in Murthy's positions on gun policy.

Paul objects that Murthy "continually referred to guns as a public health issue on par with heart disease." I'm puzzled by the senator's complaint. Gun homicides, suicides and accidents account for about 30,000 deaths in America every year. Of course, cancer and heart disease kill many more people. Yet guns account for about as many deaths as automobile accidents, and account for twice as many deaths as AIDS.

Murthy has mainly expressed standard gun policy positions held by trauma surgeons, emergency department staff, spinal cord injury specialists and others who treat victims of gun violence. On issue after issue, his views are far more representative of mainstream medical and public health opinion than are Paul's or the NRA's.

If you doubt me, check out this Congressional letter from the American Psychiatric Association after the tragedy at Sandy Hook. Or read this piece from the American Academy of Pediatrics, or this one from the American College of Emergency Physicians Web site. Murthy's nomination is supported by many medical and public health leaders and leading professional societies, not to mention a long list of organizations ranging from the American Heart Association and American Cancer Society to the March of Dimes.



a minority position calling in a favor from a Senator . . . .why?  :-[


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« #21 : March 13, 2014, 01:14:28 PM »

The links referenced as showing the guy's views are WIDELY supported by the medical community:

http://www.psychiatry.org/advocacy--newsroom/advocacy/apa-sends-letter-to-congress-regarding-recent-shooting-in-newtownct

http://www.aap.org/en-us/advocacy-and-policy/federal-advocacy/Pages/AAPFederalGunViolencePreventionRecommendationstoWhiteHouse.aspx

http://newsroom.acep.org/index.php?s=20295&item=122513


the rest of the article lauding the guy's accomplishments:

I’ve been a senior adviser to Doctors for America since 2009. I've watched Murthy mobilize thousands of doctors in both Red and Blue states on behalf of prevention efforts and health reform. I've listened to him interview leading medical-legal experts on practical alternatives in malpractice reform.

His commitment to public health, his discipline and energy will be great assets in his role as our nation's next surgeon general. His entrepreneurial and management experience extends beyond his clinical and professorial roles. He has founded companies focused on medical Internet technologies. He is well-equipped to help doctors, patients and the nation face new challenges of a rapidly changing and computerizing 21st century medical economy
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There's one other thing, too. My father was sick last year with a scary and somewhat unusual kidney cancer. Murthy went out of his way to look into the case. He connected us with the skilled team at Brigham and Women’s Hospital that successfully treated my dad's cancer. Aside from the concrete medical details, Murthy took the time from his incredible schedule to be helpful and gracious in a difficult time. At one point he e-mailed some suggestions regarding a medical specialist, but then added: "Lastly, if/when your dad decided to come to Boston, let me know.  If there's any help he need while he's here - medical or non-medical - we'll make sure he's ok."

 Vivek was a skilled and caring doctor when my family needed help. I suppose that experience makes me a biased witness on his behalf. That should still count for something in a grueling and partisan confirmation process.

Harold Pollack is Helen Ross professor at the School of Social Service Administration at the University of Chicago





but Rand Paul says its about the 2nd Amendment . . . . . shameful  :-[


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« #22 : March 13, 2014, 01:17:54 PM »

LOL, yeah . .  he's NOT qualified (ugh)

http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/03/11/what-conservatives-get-wrong-in-their-smear-cam/198449


(btw, ius not "conservatives" its a tiny segment of "conservatives")


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« #23 : March 13, 2014, 01:19:27 PM »

Legitimate criticism:

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/02/26/dr-manny-why-dr-vivek-murthy-is-not-qualified-to-be-surgeon-general/


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« #24 : March 13, 2014, 01:27:05 PM »

Washington Post:

Murthy has mainly expressed standard gun policy positions held by trauma surgeons, emergency department staff, spinal cord injury specialists and others who treat victims of gun violence. On issue after issue, his views are far more representative of mainstream medical and public health opinion than are Paul's or the NRA's.


He is a gun control ACTIVIST. Yes he has espoused some views in line with standard gun policy held by trauma surgeons but he has also advocated for, and supported gun owners being licensed, limits on ammunition and requiring Physicians to inquire if you have a gun in the house?

Plus, at the age of 36 just what experience does he have exactly? He is the same age as my Brother In Law, who is also a Dr. who has worked his butt of and might just be in line to be put in charge of his group. Surgeon General? Methinks not.

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« #25 : March 13, 2014, 02:16:36 PM »

Washington Post:

Murthy has mainly expressed standard gun policy positions held by trauma surgeons, emergency department staff, spinal cord injury specialists and others who treat victims of gun violence. On issue after issue, his views are far more representative of mainstream medical and public health opinion than are Paul's or the NRA's.


He is a gun control ACTIVIST.Yes he has espoused some views in line with standard gun policy held by trauma surgeons but he has also advocated for, and supported gun owners being licensed, limits on ammunition and requiring Physicians to inquire if you have a gun in the house?

Plus, at the age of 36 just what experience does he have exactly? He is the same age as my Brother In Law, who is also a Dr. who has worked his butt of and might just be in line to be put in charge of his group. Surgeon General? Methinks not.

Red = legit criticism

Blue - lol, he's also a child obesity "activist," an medical technology "activist", a women's health rights "activist", a Indian-American "activist," a Harvard medical School "activist." He just happens to be an "activist" (your words) for a cause the gun lobby disagree with and by the way ANY professional at that level is an activist of some type, that is what helps build there stature.  As an example, this was C Everett Koop, the ACTIVIST, . . .  before he was nominated:

"In 1976, Koop wrote The Right to Live, The Right to Die, setting down his concerns about abortion, infanticide, and euthanasia.[ Koop also took some time off from his surgical practice to make a series of films with Christian apologists Frank Schaeffer and his father Francis Schaeffer in 1978, entitled Whatever Happened to the Human Race? based on the book of the same title that was previously written by the elder Schaeffer.[11] Frank Schaeffer and his associate, Jim Buchfuehrer provided a private, five hour screening to U.S. Rep. Jack Kemp and wife Joanne on their home that, according to Frank Schaeffer's account of the late evening and early morning event in his book Crazy for God, led to both the Schaeffers and Koop obtaining "...access to everyone in the Republican Party".

I can see objecting based on his lack of experience BUT . . .  the nonsense that he is an "activist" is nothing more than a transparent attempt to squelch the views of someone the gun lobby disagrees with.


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« #26 : March 13, 2014, 03:52:10 PM »

Squelch no.

He is woefully unqualified for the job IMO, and it is payback for his work during the Obama re-election campaign and after which was gun control activism. It's political payback, thats all imo.

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« #27 : March 13, 2014, 03:56:22 PM »

Squelch no.

He is woefully unqualified for the job IMO, and it is payback for his work during the Obama re-election campaign and after which was gun control activism. It's political payback, thats all imo.

"woefully unqualified for the job"  = fair

"it is payback for his work during the Obama re-election campaign" = fair

" gun control activism." = squelch.  TOTAL BS.

The NRA does not care about the guy being an "activist" they only care because they think he is a GUN "activist". Like I said, Koop was a HUGE activist before his nomination. The NRA just doesn't want a person with that title to discuss the views of all those other medical organizations because the title adds weight to the message

shameful, fear-driven nonsense . . .  . just like burning books
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« #28 : March 13, 2014, 04:01:32 PM »

The shameful fear-driven nonsense is coming from the guy who wants everyone to be afraid of guns. Your usual blatant hypocrisy.

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« #29 : March 13, 2014, 04:12:05 PM »


shameful, fear-driven nonsense . . .  . just like burning books

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