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: March 26, 2014, 08:59:58 AM

The NFL is a tough nut to crack.   The Bucs have had 37 cracks at is and they have one SB victory.  Which isn't far off from what it should be statistically but our lows have been worse than most for longer stretches of time.  When you look at the history of our franchise and the first round pick it's clear a few of things have happened.  A) We've made some really lousy decisions with our first pick - see Bo Jackson and B) We have been really lousy the wrong year or C) We've traded away our picks for a player or coach (See Keyshawn, Gruden, Revis - if you ever look at a detailed analysis of what these picks cost us, it will make you cry in your cereal.) which would make sense if this was basketball but makes zero sense in football.  D) would be a rotten combination of A and B.  While D is easy in hind site A seemingly can be prevented with proper evaluation (players health history, competition level in college, do we really need this player, is the player a slam dunk based on college tape, combine and or pro-day analysis).

I vividly remember talking to my friend on the phone the year we drafted Gaines Adams saying "Remember this,.......we could have had Adrian Peterson.".  I was too young during the Bo Jackson draft to fully understand all of it but remember being furious that Bo wouldn't play for my team (having seen his 30 for 30 I have a completely different perspective but at age I2 wanted answers). Jon Gruden, As you recall, the NFL will no longer let a franchise give up picks and money for a coach (man it was a different league back then.) so for the eternal measure of the Lombardi I am grateful but man,  but we have suffered because of it since. 

Looking at this year's draft a couple of things are clear to me from a Buccaneer perspective.  We did what we did in free agency to be able to pick the best player available and the best player available based on the information we have gathered to this point is not a QB. When you couple the fact that this QB class is below average, that we have two seemingly capable QBs on our roster, we almost have to look at WR, OL or maybe LB.  The four sure fire draft picks this year are Clowney, Mack, Robinson and Watkins.   Given the fact that other franchises almost have to go QB, one of these other players will be available to us. 

It's time to start drafting like a real franchise and stop getting in our own way.  Lovie is the right hire I am sure of it. Now we just need to get the players in place to compete year in and year out.  Onward and upward.

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#1 : March 26, 2014, 09:03:29 AM

I don't disagree with your overall premise, but how would Adrian Peterson have made things any different? His team sucks, too.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#2 : March 26, 2014, 09:05:40 AM

I don't disagree with your overall premise, but how would Adrian Peterson have made things any different? His team sucks, too.

Very true.  Just trying to give an example of players that we could have had vs. players we chose.   AP would have been a nice building block for a team that knew how to build.  Like Barry Sanders for the Lions, it's a shame the lottery like luck of this league.

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#3 : March 26, 2014, 09:11:04 AM

I don't disagree with your overall premise, but how would Adrian Peterson have made things any different? His team sucks, too.

Very true.  Just trying to give an example of players that we could have had vs. players we chose.   AP would have been a nice building block for a team that knew how to build.  Like Barry Sanders for the Lions, it's a shame the lottery like luck of this league.

It sucks to look at our misses, but everyone has them.  Bill Belicheat is probably the best coach in the game right now and he cant seem to draft a corner to save his life.  Its an inexact science.  I think grabbing Lavonte in the 2nd like we did helps me take the focus off all the 1st round busts.

Every time I see last post JC5100, I have to click on it.... Pure comedy.

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#4 : March 26, 2014, 09:15:02 AM

I don't disagree with your overall premise, but how would Adrian Peterson have made things any different? His team sucks, too.

Very true.  Just trying to give an example of players that we could have had vs. players we chose.   AP would have been a nice building block for a team that knew how to build.  Like Barry Sanders for the Lions, it's a shame the lottery like luck of this league.

It sucks to look at our misses, but everyone has them.  Bill Belicheat is probably the best coach in the game right now and he cant seem to draft a corner to save his life.  Its an inexact science.  I think grabbing Lavonte in the 2nd like we did helps me take the focus off all the 1st round busts.

Agreed.  Lavonte and McCoy are huge building blocks in getting this back to respectability.  Some days I want to drink an entire bottle of vodka for letting Bennett get away the way we did but that was long ago with an evil regime that didn't really get this game.............and I only drink IPAs.

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#5 : March 26, 2014, 09:23:48 AM

Gruden won us a Super Bowl. Without that deal we'd be 0-for-37.

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#6 : March 26, 2014, 09:27:10 AM

Gruden won us a Super Bowl. Without that deal we'd be 0-for-37.

I hear you.  I am thankful for that but, who knows what would have happened.  We certainly dont.  If Bert Emanuel's catch is allowed, I am sure we go on to score and maybe we win one with Tony and maybe with those picks we gave up for Gruden, we fortify our offense and we have a dynastic run with Dungy (that was a catch as you all know, still chaps me to watch that game.).  It's all a crap shoot but given what happened, I am thankful for Gruden.

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#7 : March 26, 2014, 09:33:52 AM

And maybe Dungy's problem was that he refused to stop suffocating the offense, and giving Bert Emanuel a catch wouldn't have changed a bit. More likely it would have reinforced his belief in his ineffective system. It took getting fired for him to learn.

Hopefully, Lovie took away those same lessons from his termination, but I've yet to see any evidence of that.

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#8 : March 26, 2014, 09:49:10 AM

And maybe Dungy's problem was that he refused to stop suffocating the offense, and giving Bert Emanuel a catch wouldn't have changed a bit. More likely it would have reinforced his belief in his ineffective system. It took getting fired for him to learn.

Hopefully, Lovie took away those same lessons from his termination, but I've yet to see any evidence of that.

I have to say, I dont know a ton about Tedford since college but I think aligning himself with someone like Tedford is a good thing?? Maybe?  Horace Copeland's knee shattering that pre-season was the last time I felt like our offense was going to do something special.

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#10 : March 26, 2014, 10:19:24 AM

I really appreciate you letting us all know that if things had gone differently in the past, there would have been a different outcome. That kind of insight is the reason I come here.


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#11 : March 26, 2014, 10:30:33 AM

There are things to be upset about but the Keyshawn and Gruden deals do not fit in that category. They directly resulted in a Super Bowl.

Peterson is revisionist history. Cadillac was rookie year of the year and no matter how good Peterson was coming you can't justify a RB at #4 when you just took one at #5.

The Gruden era crashed because of his loyalty and over-rating of Griese and Garcia. He didn't draft Rodgers because of Griese and he waffled back and forth between Garcia and Griese all of 2008 when it should have been McCown's team.
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#12 : March 26, 2014, 10:36:10 AM

You had me until Mccown.

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#13 : March 26, 2014, 10:41:05 AM

You had me until Mccown.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200810050den.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200810260dal.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200812140atl.htm

Week 1 the Saints offense had 0 net points their first 8 possessions of the game then our defense got tired because Garcia couldn't do anything.

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#14 : March 26, 2014, 10:49:33 AM

I really appreciate you letting us all know that if things had gone differently in the past, there would have been a different outcome. That kind of insight is the reason I come here.

You might ask yourself, "why do I come here?". 
: March 26, 2014, 10:51:44 AM 10lbbass
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