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#135 : July 09, 2014, 04:17:44 PM

The superstar players get the worst deal in the NBA. If there were no salary cap nor CBA, LeBron James would make $40+ million per season because he's that much more valuable than anyone else. But then when it's time for him to get paid whatever the rules will allow, people say he shouldn't accept as much as he can so his team can afford to pay other players, yet Gordon Hayward just got offered a 4-year contract guaranteeing him $63 million and that barely makes the crawler. The contract LeBron James signed in 2010 paid him $70 million over 4 years. There's no way in hell Gordon Hayward should be making 90% of what LeBron James made. Mid level players in the NBA are so overpaid it's not even funny.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#136 : July 09, 2014, 08:44:56 PM

Some believe Lebron left Cleveland because of management, well, if this report is true that theory goes out the window:

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2014/07/09/sheridans-top-25-free-agents-july-9-edition/

The Decision has been made. LeBron James is returning to the Cleveland Cavaliers, a league source tells SheridanHoops.com.

James met with Miami Heat president Pat Riley today in Las Vegas to deliver the news. A contingent of other Heat officials were informed they were not welcome at the meeting, according to a source who spoke on condition of anonymity.

An official announcement will be made on www.lebronjames.com, as I first reported yesterday.




Not official yet, but it's getting close.

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#137 : July 09, 2014, 08:59:34 PM

I heard Riley asked for 1 more day before announcing his decision and Lebron agreed. So we should hear tomorrow. Hopefully he doesn't drag this on again. We are also talking with the TWolves about a KLove trade once Lebron agrees to terms. I would hope they wouldn't just trade for Love with no extension.


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#138 : July 09, 2014, 09:01:21 PM

Yeah it's going to be strange seeing Wiggins get traded so fast. There's no way Minnesota accepts a deal without him in it. My guess is it will be Wiggins and Thompson, maybe more.

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#139 : July 10, 2014, 09:05:36 AM

The superstar players get the worst deal in the NBA. If there were no salary cap nor CBA, LeBron James would make $40+ million per season because he's that much more valuable than anyone else. But then when it's time for him to get paid whatever the rules will allow, people say he shouldn't accept as much as he can so his team can afford to pay other players, yet Gordon Hayward just got offered a 4-year contract guaranteeing him $63 million and that barely makes the crawler. The contract LeBron James signed in 2010 paid him $70 million over 4 years. There's no way in hell Gordon Hayward should be making 90% of what LeBron James made. Mid level players in the NBA are so overpaid it's not even funny.
hard to swallow that 4 years and 90 mil is considered a worst deal.

Stars have different choices...make as much as you can OR play with the best team possible.  I love the irony in melo saying its all about winning but also not accepting less .

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#140 : July 10, 2014, 09:12:24 AM

If lebron goes back to Miami, I hope he loses big. If lebron goes to the cavs, I will root for the guy.  If dwade takes the max, I hope Miami rots. I want melo to sign with the lakers just to sink that ship further. Would like to see bosh in Houston, that would be interesting.

And I'd really like to see cleveland change their colors and logo again, they just keep picking ugly. 

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#141 : July 10, 2014, 09:47:19 AM

I don't think it matters where Lebron goes, he's not winning a championship next season. With Miami it would be the same story, no bench and Wade another year older. With Cleveland if they stick with Irving/Wiggins/Lebron, that's not getting past even the Pacers or Bulls IMO, and certainly not past SA/Houston/OKC/Dallas in the Finals. Even if they trade Wiggins and acquire Love, that's not getting it done either. They'll be a good team, but not a championship caliber team.

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#142 : July 10, 2014, 09:54:42 AM

i dont know basketball as well as you guys do, but i could see irving-lebron-love making some serious noise.  add a couple outside shooters on the cheap.

pacers look to be remolding bigtime, especially if the hibbert rumors are true.
bulls seem to be just treading water.
spurs will be an injury question mark.

the rest of the west certainly lookis interesting.

funny, watching ESPN and a miami heat reporter doesnt think lebron fits well in cleveland...because kyrie isnt a catch and shoot player.  ironic.
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#143 : July 10, 2014, 10:11:39 AM

There are rumors that Cleveland is already contacting Ray Allen and Mike Miller, I can see them landing at least one of them, which will help. The Spurs are rumored to have a very good chance of landing Gasol, which makes them even stronger. I've counted them out for years, after last season I'm through counting them out until their main players are retired lol. With the Bulls it obviously depends on if Rose stays healthy.

The team I really like is Dallas, especially if Houston doesn't match the Parsons offer. Ellis/Carter/Parsons/Dirk/Chandler is a pretty good lineup.

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#144 : July 10, 2014, 11:32:35 AM

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The team I really like is Dallas, especially if Houston doesn't match the Parsons offer. Ellis/Carter/Parsons/Dirk/Chandler is a pretty good lineup.
i like Cuban, but just realized that team is about the same age as the spurs!

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#145 : July 10, 2014, 02:05:57 PM

Yeah it's going to be strange seeing Wiggins get traded so fast. There's no way Minnesota accepts a deal without him in it. My guess is it will be Wiggins and Thompson, maybe more.
I don't think the Cavs will trade Irving or Wiggins. Thompson is sorta untouchable too, but not because of talent. His agent is also Lebron agent and that relationship is what is really helping the Cavs case here.

I think they will offer Waiters, Bennett, picks. They mave also agree to take Kevin Martin crappy contract on as well.


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#146 : July 10, 2014, 04:50:28 PM

No more LeDrama

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#147 : July 10, 2014, 07:02:31 PM

Yeah it's going to be strange seeing Wiggins get traded so fast. There's no way Minnesota accepts a deal without him in it. My guess is it will be Wiggins and Thompson, maybe more.
I don't think the Cavs will trade Irving or Wiggins. Thompson is sorta untouchable too, but not because of talent. His agent is also Lebron agent and that relationship is what is really helping the Cavs case here.

I think they will offer Waiters, Bennett, picks. They mave also agree to take Kevin Martin crappy contract on as well.


There's no way Minnesota gives up Love for Waiters and one of the biggest draft busts in the past 10 years. That's a horrible trade for them, no chance. Teams are going to line up to land Love, they already are, I'd go as far as saying Waiters and Bennett would be the worst offer they'll receive from anyone.

You also have to think about it from Minnesota's perspective, they know Cleveland is desperate to land Love to appease Lebron. This just gives them even more leverage. I believe it will take Wiggins/Thompson and several picks to get the deal done.

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#148 : July 10, 2014, 07:07:42 PM

Yeah it's going to be strange seeing Wiggins get traded so fast. There's no way Minnesota accepts a deal without him in it. My guess is it will be Wiggins and Thompson, maybe more.
I don't think the Cavs will trade Irving or Wiggins. Thompson is sorta untouchable too, but not because of talent. His agent is also Lebron agent and that relationship is what is really helping the Cavs case here.

I think they will offer Waiters, Bennett, picks. They mave also agree to take Kevin Martin crappy contract on as well.

I wouldn't say Thompson is untouchable unless the kid can play center. If the Cavs make a deal, Kevin Love starts at PF and Thompson drops to the bench. He would e an excellent bench player, but at the minute he's an asset they could use to land a so-called star player that could help them form a new big three.

Same goes for Wiggins. The kid can play SG and SF, and would likely start at SG between Kyrie and LeBron. However, if the deal to get Love includes him, then so be it because they still have Waiters to play SG. If they take Kevin Martin in the deal, he can play SG as well. So while Wiggins does have all star potential, he has never played in the NBA whereas Waiters and Martin have. Waiters averages 15 ppg, and Martin averages all but 18 ppg on career averages. Last season Martin averaged 19 ppg, and has a good record as a 3 point specialist. So a Martin/Waiters rotation at SG gives them a very appealing option. Remember these guys would likely be the fourth choice on the floor behind Kyrie, Love and LeBron.

Now if they can pull off a deal that let's them keep Thompson and Wiggins, then that would be great for them. A Wiggins/Martin rotation at SG, and Love/Thompson at PF, would give them an immense starting line up and 2nd line up off the bench. But personally unless the T-Wolves really like Waiters, Bennett and first round picks in the late 20s, then I think one of Thompson or Wiggins will go in the deal.

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#149 : July 10, 2014, 08:04:06 PM

I think you trade wiggins in a heartbeat when you have lebron.

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