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#45 : April 10, 2007, 03:12:56 PM

When a group of young hard working women that are predominately black are playing by the rules to work themselves up the ladder of society are held out for humiliation on national TV by being called whores and racially degraded, that is a legitimate issue and Imus should be held accountable for his words and the meaning behind those words. Looking at the history and struggle of women and blacks in society and it doesn't require a Phd. to realize the incendiary and inflammatory weight behind his "joke". Discrimination in society is real has been for hundreds of years. Words mean things, if they didn't then slander would not be a legitimate legal argument. Imus is a doddering old fool and has clearly out lived his usefulness on the air.


Do you think that Rap Artist's "should be held accountable" for degrading women?  They certainly influence more young, impressionable minds then Imus.  Rap artists degrade millions as opposed to 8 or 10 people.  I don't see people picketing record labels or rap artists.  Do you see the irony?  This is an issue because of Imus' race and the fact he insulted a small number of identifiable people who can now be paraded around the media.  What a joke.   


 I haven't heard too many rap songs about Rutgers Womens basketball. In Imus' case he directly insulted a very specific group of indivuals. Rap makes horrible generalizations, but there is a real difference, just ask the parents of one of these girls if you don't think so.

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#46 : April 10, 2007, 03:14:05 PM

Right a song about women in general is not that bad right?



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#47 : April 10, 2007, 03:22:07 PM

Right a song about women in general is not that bad right?

Wrong.
But since were talking about Imus I want to stay on point.

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#48 : April 10, 2007, 03:22:49 PM

When a group of young hard working women that are predominately black are playing by the rules to work themselves up the ladder of society are held out for humiliation on national TV by being called whores and racially degraded, that is a legitimate issue and Imus should be held accountable for his words and the meaning behind those words. Looking at the history and struggle of women and blacks in society and it doesn't require a Phd. to realize the incendiary and inflammatory weight behind his "joke". Discrimination in society is real has been for hundreds of years. Words mean things, if they didn't then slander would not be a legitimate legal argument. Imus is a doddering old fool and has clearly out lived his usefulness on the air.


Do you think that Rap Artist's "should be held accountable" for degrading women? They certainly influence more young, impressionable minds then Imus. Rap artists degrade millions as opposed to 8 or 10 people. I don't see people picketing record labels or rap artists. Do you see the irony? This is an issue because of Imus' race and the fact he insulted a small number of identifiable people who can now be paraded around the media. What a joke.


 I haven't heard too many rap songs about Rutgers Womens basketball. In Imus' case he directly insulted a very specific group of indivuals. Rap makes horrible generalizations, but there is a real difference, just ask the parents of one of these girls if you don't think so.

So, do you think insulting 8-10 is more damaging then insulting all women?  I think the difference is obvious, regardless of what the parents of the Rutger's womens basketball think.  I don't need to call anyone's parents to realize that Rap Artist's have a far greater negative impact on society than Imus.  



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#49 : April 10, 2007, 03:35:50 PM

When a group of young hard working women that are predominately black are playing by the rules to work themselves up the ladder of society are held out for humiliation on national TV by being called whores and racially degraded, that is a legitimate issue and Imus should be held accountable for his words and the meaning behind those words. Looking at the history and struggle of women and blacks in society and it doesn't require a Phd. to realize the incendiary and inflammatory weight behind his "joke". Discrimination in society is real has been for hundreds of years. Words mean things, if they didn't then slander would not be a legitimate legal argument. Imus is a doddering old fool and has clearly out lived his usefulness on the air.


Do you think that Rap Artist's "should be held accountable" for degrading women? They certainly influence more young, impressionable minds then Imus. Rap artists degrade millions as opposed to 8 or 10 people. I don't see people picketing record labels or rap artists. Do you see the irony? This is an issue because of Imus' race and the fact he insulted a small number of identifiable people who can now be paraded around the media. What a joke.


 I haven't heard too many rap songs about Rutgers Womens basketball. In Imus' case he directly insulted a very specific group of indivuals. Rap makes horrible generalizations, but there is a real difference, just ask the parents of one of these girls if you don't think so.

So, do you think insulting 8-10 is more damaging then insulting all women?  I think the difference is obvious, regardless of what the parents of the Rutger's womens basketball think.  I don't need to call anyone's parents to realize that Rap Artist's have a far greater negative impact on society than Imus. 

Let me break it down here. You already know what I think of Imus, now you want an opinion on rap. I think it's garbage, mostly w/o artistic skill, it's garbage on a lot of levels, ok. But you think there's an analogy, I don't. Example, If someone said all women were whores, you might think they are a bitter old fool. But if someone said your wife was a whore you may very well have a different reaction. Generalization vs personal attack.

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#50 : April 10, 2007, 04:00:27 PM

So, do you think insulting 8-10 is more damaging then insulting all women?  I think the difference is obvious, regardless of what the parents of the Rutger's womens basketball think.  I don't need to call anyone's parents to realize that Rap Artist's have a far greater negative impact on society than Imus. 

One death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic. Apply to this.

All posts are opinions in case you are too stupid to figure that out on your own without me saying it over and over.

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#51 : April 10, 2007, 04:14:53 PM

So are we all at least in concurrence that Imus is a total fool????!!!

The MIC was on guys.  Nuff said.


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#52 : April 10, 2007, 04:27:23 PM

Yes Boid we are, but the situation in the media with Sharpton and Rev. Jack is now just backwards racism. Plain and simple.






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#53 : April 10, 2007, 04:50:06 PM

I think, after everybody has meandered around the mountains a few times that Imus insulted the Rutgers basketball team but did not say anything that was actually racist.

So my next questions is .......  ::) [banghead]

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#54 : April 10, 2007, 05:12:16 PM

Wow,

Just by looking at this thread and watching the media coverage on this...I can say for absolute certainty that the 1st Amendment is dead.

"I hate what you say, but I will die for the right for you to say it."
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If the KKK is protected under the first amendment. Why not Imus? Political correctness is the greatest threat to the constitution today. Im so sick of people filing lawsuits and demanding people be fired because they are "offended." Well you know what my response is? TOUGH! Deal with it. This is a free country. And people are allowed to speak their opinions on anything no matter how offensive or hateful it may be. Unless you want to live in a country like Sweden that has made it a crime to insult homosexuals...I suggest all of you to stop supporting the media bashing that is going on right now.

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#55 : April 10, 2007, 05:13:44 PM

Wow,

Just by looking at this thread and watching the media coverage on this...I can say for absolute certainty that the 1st Amendment is dead.

"I hate what you say, but I will die for the right for you to say it."
-Patrick Henry

If the KKK is protected under the first amendment. Why not Imus? Political correctness is the greatest threat to the constitution today. Im so sick of people filing lawsuits and demanding people be fired because they are "offended." Well you know what my response is? TOUGH! Deal with it. This is a free country. And people are allowed to speak their opinions on anything no matter how offensive or hateful it may be. Unless you want to live in a country like Sweden that has made it a crime to insult homosexuals...I suggest all of you to stop supporting the media bashing that is going on right now.
It is free speech.  But it is racist free speech.

It will draw consider considerable backlash.  It has, and it should.


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#56 : April 10, 2007, 05:22:17 PM

This is not about free speech. The same mistake is always made when issues like this come up.

Imus can say what he wants. NBC can decide what they want to do to him. That has nothing
to do with free speech. You have to answer to your employer.

Others can call for his firing or suspension. Or support him.

BTW, my Rosie thread was labeled with Free Speech in the subject. I shouldn't have done that
and noted such in my post.

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#57 : April 10, 2007, 05:23:20 PM

Wow,

Just by looking at this thread and watching the media coverage on this...I can say for absolute certainty that the 1st Amendment is dead.

"I hate what you say, but I will die for the right for you to say it."
-Patrick Henry

If the KKK is protected under the first amendment. Why not Imus? Political correctness is the greatest threat to the constitution today. Im so sick of people filing lawsuits and demanding people be fired because they are "offended." Well you know what my response is? TOUGH! Deal with it. This is a free country. And people are allowed to speak their opinions on anything no matter how offensive or hateful it may be. Unless you want to live in a country like Sweden that has made it a crime to insult homosexuals...I suggest all of you to stop supporting the media bashing that is going on right now.
It is free speech. But it is racist free speech.

It will draw consider considerable backlash. It has, and it should.

How is it racist? It may be an insult, but how is it "racist speech?"

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#58 : April 10, 2007, 05:49:08 PM

It's not, but because he's a white guy the media has made it racist speech, and so has the black leaders in Rev. Jack and Al Sharpton. Like I said before, it's all quite amusing. It's like a circus performance live on TV. Though I would never watch it anyway.




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#59 : April 10, 2007, 05:50:03 PM

Nappy means frizzy or kinky. So I guess he was referring to their frizzy hair, which most African Americans
have. Is that racist? Depends on who you ask I guess.
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