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« : April 07, 2007, 05:59:59 PM »

This is from PFW.com, but didnt sound too far fetched.

Buccaneers-Raiders rift still brewing, may impact first round

By Nolan Nawrocki
April 5, 2007

When Jon Gruden left the Raiders after the 2001 season, the split up was acrimonious. Al Davis demanded a king’s ramsom in the form of cash and draft picks in exchange for his head coach. Gruden proceeded to beat the Raiders in the Super Bowl his first year in Tampa. Not long after, Gruden hired Davis’ top negotiator, Bruce Allen, away from the Raiders, and the tension only mounted as the two teams continued to play a game of tug-of-war with respect to the Raiders’ top resources — their people — with several other longtime Raiders employees crossing the country to join Gruden.

With both teams drafting in the top five and again potentially targeting the same player — Georgia Tech WR Calvin Johnson — the feud could escalate in the coming month. Gruden grew enamored with Johnson during the season, when he would bring tape into meetings and show it to his quarterbacks, and he highly covets the difference-making receiver for how he could help the team in the red zone, where they struggled a year ago. Concerns that have arisen with the immaturity of Michael Clayton and the age of Joey Galloway only fuel Gruden's desire, so much so that it is believed that the Bucaneers could potentially move up in the first round to land him.

According to one top-ranking team official, the Raiders have been pursuing two athletic quarterbacks who began their careers in Arizona — Jake Plummer and Josh McCown. Plummer is more highly sought, but he recently retired after being traded to the Bucs from Denver. McCown remains a backup in Detroit, which holds the second pick and is in the market for a franchise quarterback, as well.

There is the perception in league circles that Allen quickly moved to acquire Plummer for several reasons. First and foremost, the Bucs needed help at quarterback, but having just signed Jeff Garcia and with Chris Simms and Bruce Gradkowski already on the roster, the Buccaneers, some teams strongly believe, were simply acting to corner the market on available quarterbacks and then use their stockpile as leverage with QB-needy teams that precede them in the draft order, while also giving them added ammunition to strike a deal.

By taking Plummer off the market, Tampa Bay could potentially force the Raiders to address their need at quarterback via the draft, essentially pushing Johnson down a slot. Detroit GM Matt Millen, a former Raider himself who is uniquely slotted between the two adversaries, might turn out to be the biggest winner of the high-stakes game of poker being played. Millen, who continues to have ongoing dialogue with Allen, could gain more leverage if Johnson is available at No. 2 and could choose not to deal McCown until after the Raiders make their first selection in order to force the Raiders' hand. He may even have received that free advice, courtesy of Allen. 

The Bucs are hoping they do not have to move up and can still land Johnson at No. 4. It remains a possibility. If JaMarcus Russell is selected first overall, team sources in Cleveland say Oklahoma RB Adrian Peterson would likely land at No. 3. The question for Tampa Bay then becomes: Does it have to worry about Atlanta, which recently acquired two second-round picks in the Matt Schaub trade and needs receivers, moving up in the draft. Millen is concerned about the degree of scrutiny he would receive if he drafted a receiver in the top 10 for the fourth time in the last five years, and the team currently has too much money invested in the position to select another one so early. In the event a trade is not brokered, that could mean the Lions are left to choose between Clemson DE Gaines Adams, a Rod Marinelli favorite, and Brady Quinn, whom many suspect Millen personally covets. If either scenario takes hold, it would push Johnson to the Bucs, without them having to give up anything.

What could also help the Buccaneers' cause is the recent decision by Lions WR Mike Williams, who has worn on Marinelli, to pull out of the offseason program in Detroit in the hope that the Lions will cut him and allow him to sign with Oakland, his desired destination. That would reunite Williams with new Raiders head coach Lane Kiffin, who coached him at USC. With the addition of another big receiver in Oakland, the option to draft a quarterback who can get on the field now and manage the game, which will not come easy for Russell, could become more attractive.

 
   


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« #1 : April 07, 2007, 06:21:06 PM »

Very Interesting! Thanks for posting.




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« #2 : April 07, 2007, 06:24:04 PM »

Yes, Thanx.


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« #3 : April 07, 2007, 07:23:28 PM »

Very well written. Unusual given PFW's recent track record. We'll see to what degree it is accurate.

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« #4 : April 07, 2007, 07:43:27 PM »

Intresting, very intresting. Thats what Al Davis gets for refusing to pay Gruden.




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« #5 : April 07, 2007, 08:57:39 PM »

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Gruden grew enamored with Johnson during the season, when he would bring tape into meetings and show it to his quarterbacks, and he highly covets the difference-making receiver for how he could help the team in the red zone, where they struggled a year ago.

That's what Stovall was drafted for.

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« #6 : April 07, 2007, 09:08:17 PM »

the only problem is that the stupid Lions may take WR Calvin Johnson.   I wouldn't put it past them with their recent drafts.....but yea they are absolutely right in that we have to worry about the Lions and trading down.

The Raiders will take Russell and the Browns will most likely take Peterson.  It is whether the Lions take Adams, Quinn, or trade down with a team like the Falcons who have the 2nd round picks to offer.

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« #7 : April 07, 2007, 09:19:57 PM »

Great article


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« #8 : April 07, 2007, 10:08:06 PM »

It looks like they have been reading this message board. :)

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« #9 : April 08, 2007, 12:44:23 AM »

the only problem is that the stupid Lions may take WR Calvin Johnson. I wouldn't put it past them with their recent drafts.....but yea they are absolutely right in that we have to worry about the Lions and trading down.

The Raiders will take Russell and the Browns will most likely take Peterson. It is whether the Lions take Adams, Quinn, or trade down with a team like the Falcons who have the 2nd round picks to offer.
Why are the Lions "stupid" for taking Calvin Johnson, who by most accounts is "The be all and end all" of all Wide Receivers in NFL history?  The way he is being touted, CJ teamed with the other #1 and #2 WR in Detroit would make Martz a very happy O-coordinator.  Three wide out sets aren't a thing Martz is afraid of.  People keep saying NO WAY NO WAY the Lions go WR this year...why wouldn't they?  It isn't as if Millen doesn't have the pitchfork crowd already knocking on his door, for petes sake he had people walking out in small herds during the regular season!  If CJ is a no brainer as so many CJ lovers in this neighborhood are alluding to, then he wouldbe a perfect fit for the Lions.  He is a WR that can make the offense go, right?  He would have a very competent WR coach in Martz right?  So why doesn't it make sense?

Think about it.  The Lions beefed up their O-line.  They have Kitna who isn;t a bum.  He might even be #1 on the Bucs depth chart!  They have a decent little bruiser in KJ, throw in three nasty wideouts, and it looks like the Colts are in town, even with a blue uniform!  Of course, this is all laughable, but that isn't what they are saying in Detroit, is it?

So if JaMarcus goes #1, CJ goes #2, and AP goes #3, Thomas falls right into the BUcs laps, or the Cards might ask about trading the four and five spots, and we get an extra second.

Doesn't that rock your socks?


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« #10 : April 08, 2007, 02:21:17 AM »

mike williams wants to go to oakland? he is a retard, not that the team he is on now is much better...but still...


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« #11 : April 08, 2007, 02:38:51 AM »

Spoke with a coaching friend of mine today in Phoenix...he coaches LB's under Ryan in Oakland....we should forget about CJ because the NATION is going to take him with the 1st pick and QB Trent Edwards out of Stanford with their 2nd round pick...

Let's swap with the Cardinals so they can have the 4th pick (JT) and we get the 5th (Adams) as well as they give us their higher 2nd for our lower 2nd...


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« #12 : April 08, 2007, 02:42:43 AM »

Nice article.   I believe it to be accurate.   It's amazing how many Raider fans are still bitter towards Gruden.

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« #13 : April 08, 2007, 02:43:57 AM »

Nice article.   I believe it to be accurate.   It's amazing how many Raider fans are still bitter towards Gruden.

I thought you were going to say isn;t it amazing how many Bucs fans are still bitter about Traitor Rich.


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« #14 : April 08, 2007, 02:47:48 AM »

That too.  LOL!    But the Raiders got 2 number ones and 2 number twos for Gruden.   The Bucs got squat for Rich.   Not that he was worth much anyway.
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