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: April 23, 2007, 03:11:05 PM

Me thinks I've been a member of this board before you, but unlike you, this board isn't the epicenter of my social universe judging by your post count. So you please go away and while your at it go out and see the world your missing allot while your hunched over your keyboard at all hours of the day.

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#1 : April 23, 2007, 02:55:48 PM

Go away.

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#2 : April 22, 2007, 09:26:45 PM

This would be bad news for our soldiers...

The ones who have supported the invasion have pointed to the Iraqi forces
who will become trained and then take over for our guys. Looks like that
training isn't a priority any more. So how will we end our involvement?
Besides a gradual pullout, how do we avoid being in Iraq for ten or more
years?

http://www.kansascity.com/105/story/77599.html

In a reversal, U.S. reliance on Iraqi army is fading
Training troops is no longer a priority, changing the role of American forces.

By NANCY A. YOUSSEF
McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON | Military planners have abandoned the idea that shaping up Iraqi troops will enable American soldiers to soon start coming home.

They now think that U.S. troops will have to defeat the insurgents and secure control of troubled provinces.

Training Iraqi troops, which had been the cornerstone of the Bush administration’s Iraq policy since 2005, has dropped in priority, officials in Baghdad and Washington said.

No change has been announced, and a Pentagon spokesman, Col. Gary Keck, said that training Iraqis remains important.

“We are just adding another leg to our mission,” Keck said, referring to the greater U.S. role in establishing security that new troops arriving in Iraq will undertake.

But evidence has been building for months that training Iraqi troops is no longer the focus of U.S. policy. Pentagon officials said they know of no new training resources that have been included in U.S. plans to dispatch 28,000 additional troops to Iraq. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they aren’t authorized to discuss the policy shift publicly.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates made no public mention Thursday of training Iraqi troops on a visit to Iraq.

In a reflection of the need for more U.S. troops, the Pentagon decided earlier this month to increase the length of U.S. Army tours in Iraq from 12 to 15 months. The extension came amid speculation that the U.S. commander there, Army Gen. David Petraeus, will ask that the troop increase be maintained well into 2008.

U.S. officials won’t say that the training formula — championed by Gen. John Abizaid when he was the commander of U.S. forces in the Middle East and by Gen. George Casey when he was the top U.S. general in Iraq — was doomed from the start.

But they said that rising sectarian violence and the inability of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki to unite the country changed the conditions.

Casey’s “mandate was transition. General Petraeus’ mandate is security. It is a change based on conditions. Certain conditions have to be met for the transition to be successful. Security is part of that. And General Petraeus recognizes that,” said Brig. Gen. Dana Pittard, commander of the Iraq Assistance Group in charge of supporting trained Iraqi forces.

“I think it is too much to expect that we were going to start from scratch … in an environment that featured a rising sectarian struggle and lack of progress with the government,” said a senior Pentagon official. “The conditions had sufficiently changed that the Abizaid/Casey approach alone wasn’t going to be sufficient.”

Maj. Gen. Doug Lute, director of operations at U.S. Central Command, which oversees military activities in the Middle East, said that during the troop increase, U.S. officers will be trying to determine how ready Iraqi forces are to assume control.

“We are looking for indicators where we can assess the extent to which we are fighting alongside Iraqi security forces, not as a replacement to them,” he said. Those signs will include “things like the number of U.S.-only missions, the number of combined U.S.-Iraqi missions, the number where Iraqis are in the lead, the number of Joint Security Stations set up,” he said.

That’s a far cry from the optimistic assessments U.S. commanders offered throughout 2006 about the impact of training Iraqis.

President Bush first announced the training strategy in the summer of 2005: “Our strategy can be summed up this way: As the Iraqis stand up, we will stand down.”

Throughout 2006, Casey and top Bush administration leaders touted the training as a success, asserting that eight of Iraq’s 10 divisions had taken the lead in confronting insurgents.

But U.S. forces complained that the Iraqi forces weren’t getting the support from their government and that Iraqi military commanders, many of whom worked under Saddam Hussein, weren’t as willing to embrace their tactics. Among everyday Iraqis, some said they didn’t trust their forces, saying they were sectarian and easily susceptible to corruption.

Most important, insurgents and militiamen had infiltrated the forces, using their power to carry out sectarian attacks.

In nearly every area where Iraqi forces were given control, the security situation rapidly deteriorated. The exceptions were areas dominated largely by one sect and policed by members of that sect.

U.S. officials said they once thought that if they empowered their Iraqi counterparts, they’d take the lead and do a better job of curtailing the violence. But they concede that’s no longer their operating principle.

Pentagon officials won’t say how many U.S. troops are engaged in training, although they said that the number of teams assigned to work alongside trained Iraqis hasn’t changed.

To reach Nancy A. Youssef, send e-mail to nyoussef@ mcclatchydc.com.

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#3 : April 23, 2007, 02:48:09 PM

Keep cackling

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#4 : April 23, 2007, 01:12:18 AM

Do you get all of your articles and information directly from the DemocraticParty.com???

Or just the most notorious Liberal slanted newspappers in the country?




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#5 : April 23, 2007, 01:35:49 AM

You can call liberal all you want, but the facts nowadays are  very much the facts.

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#6 : April 23, 2007, 02:45:16 PM

What the hell are you talking about?  You are a newbie & obviously don't know Joe.

And Alstott needs no defending.

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#7 : April 23, 2007, 03:22:02 AM

Do you get all of your articles and information directly from the DemocraticParty.com???

Or just the most notorious Liberal slanted newspappers in the country?

do you brush off everything you disagree with or dont like as 'being liberal'. as if 'liberal' is an insult?


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#8 : April 23, 2007, 03:41:35 AM

You can call liberal all you want, but the facts nowadays are very much the facts.

I don't actually see any facts in that article.  It's pure speculation.  Youssef states her belief and then uses examples to back it up that aren't really relevent or related to the statement.  She says evidence has been builing for months and then doesn't produce any of the evidence.  She writes the tours have been extended to 15 months.  That's true, but what about that suggets anything about no longer training Iraqis?  She says we've beefed up security.  True, but again, what does that have to do with her premise?  She mentions that some Iraqi commanders don't always agree with the tactics we'd like them to use.  What about that means we've given up training them? 

Youssef has no quotes from anyone backing up her claim, not even anonymous sources.  All she did was make a statement and then use a lot of unrelated anecdotes to make the reader think she was backing her claim.  In reality, she failed to produce any "building evidence" that she wants you to think exists.

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#9 : April 23, 2007, 02:41:40 PM

And Joe's older than me.

Only just. :P
Still can't be his mother. Back from lunch already, MJS? No martini?

You sure act like it, you sound like Duemig when hes defending Alstott.

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#10 : April 23, 2007, 11:06:14 AM

but what about that suggets anything about no longer training Iraqis?   
What about that means we've given up training them? 

Nothing. Article says that it's no longer a priority. Not that we're not training them at all.

If you think she is just making it up, why don't you just email her? Her email address
is in the article.

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#11 : April 23, 2007, 07:14:14 PM

Do you get all of your articles and information directly from the DemocraticParty.com???

Or just the most notorious Liberal slanted newspappers in the country?

I'm surprised the guy isn't banned for all the political threads that he posts.

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#12 : April 23, 2007, 07:23:38 PM

I told you before Joe has been here a long time & we all know him & most of us love him.  God forbid he should make you think!

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#13 : April 23, 2007, 07:41:55 PM

It's not about that, Karen. But thanks. Most of us here can debate these topics, make our
points and avoid personal attacks. Politics was banned because of the personal attacks
that were repeatedly taking place within those threads. But if you pay attention,
you'll see that the recent waves of suspensions were in threads not related to
politics. The mods have done a good job cleaning that up and you can see it
in the Iraq posts.

Go check the few political/military/Iraq posts that are on here. We have disagreed
but everybody has been respectful.

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#14 : April 23, 2007, 07:43:57 PM

But oma seems to think your political posts should get you run. I was trying to explain most of us don't look at you that way.
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