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#45 : May 21, 2007, 06:04:44 PM

News report today:

http://www.wvec.com/video/topvideo-index.html?nvid=145588




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#46 : May 21, 2007, 06:13:34 PM

News report today:

http://www.wvec.com/video/topvideo-index.html?nvid=145588

Poindexter looks depressed like he's the one on trial.

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#47 : May 21, 2007, 06:17:47 PM

This whole situation with Vick really has me on the edge of my seat.  Part (most) of me thinks he's going to get off without any kind of penalty.  But a small part of me thinks that this thing is going to hit soon and he's going down in a blaze.  And that's the outcome I'm hoping for.  I'm not just wishing for game suspensions or slaps on the wrist.  I hoping for a trial and jail time.  I'd love to see that piece of sh** locked away where he should be.


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#48 : May 25, 2007, 02:33:45 PM

I don't trust the person quoted in the article. If they have somebody placing Vick at the scene that would be a 'witness' not an 'informant.' An 'informant' is usually an unidentified, shady character that will say whatever gets him paid or out of trouble or whatever it is he is looking for. Either the person in the articl doesn't know what they are talking about or their 'informant' has no credibility.

Besides, what the heck do people think these dogs are used for?? Does anybody have a pitbull b/c they are good w/ kids?? NO!!!
I actually have two pure bred Pitbulls. They grew up with my son and daughter as pups, Pitbulls get a bad name because of horrid owners and alot of media attention. Pits are no different than any other dogs. Same goes to German Shepards, etc etc.. Its never the dogs fault, its usually the owner.
While I'm sure your pups are harmless lovable doggies, the same cannot be said for ALL Pit Bulls.

The fact is that the Pit Bull has become a symbol within the hip-hop "urban" culture. There is a massive industry there for these animals. But unfortunately, the breed has been badly inbred, many generations of bad genes being passed along. The "gangsta" types in the "culture" who worship these dogs do not understand proper breeding of the animals.

Combine 1) many generations of inbreeding, 2) bad raising by the breeders, and 3) horrible training, from puppy-hood, from thug owners with an agenda, and you have a recipe for disaster.

Would YOU (the rhetorical "you") want to buy and breed one of Vick's dogs, one fed with gunpowder and cocaine, and leave them with your small child?

C'Mon. Pits are no longer a "pure" AKA breed liks a **CENSORED**er Spaniel ot Lab is. The breed has been horribly bastardized by irresponsible folks who can't even raise huiman children effectively.


Give me a break snakeboy....

The sterotypiing of a dog and their owner is beneath you, tell the truth.  You're being forced to say those stupid things right.....

Why dont you google pit bulls, or try this www.wickedbullykennel.com  and tell me if these pit bulls are raised in the hood, with gangsta owners.  See do a little research before you go putting your foot in your mouth.  Now go, check the site, not mine by the way, but the links are helpful also.

Now for the rest of us......sure pit bulls can look mean, but they can also look sad, loving and a number of other ways.  Maybe it's all about how we see them, as our own fears can easily be swayed by the media.  Have whatever dog you like but remember, just like people, we will react to being treated like crap, why expect anything else from man's best friend....

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#49 : May 25, 2007, 09:56:19 PM

I'll be looking for that "**CENSORED**er Spaniel Mauls Small Child" link... ::)

Or that gangsta wannabe with the pants falling off his a$$ walking his chihuahua on a leash...

Or a Pit Bull, all foo-fooed up, in the ring at Westminster...

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#50 : May 25, 2007, 10:13:50 PM

IT's not the breeds.  IT's how they're raised, and keeping them from packing.  I have a Rottweiler, and she's not dangerous, better with the kid  than any small dog. 

With any dog you do have to be aware of packing, even if they're basically good dogs.  Let two of them run wild together and there's alway potential for trouble.



The whole "the way they are raised thing" is non-sense and not a "predictor" of biting behavior.  Have had plenty of patients with crush fractures to the metacarpals ( hand bones)  from their "pet dogs" who went a little to far in an "agressive" moment from an otherwise  tame and docile dog.   The problem with the big and powerful dogs lies in the fact that the  big dogs do a lot of damage, as compared to the **CENSORED**er spaniel who  does not   have a  "catch and hold" bite. 



http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Attacks%201982%20to%202006%20Clifton.pdf

Here is a link for some dog bite info if you care


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#51 : May 25, 2007, 10:53:27 PM

IT's not the breeds. IT's how they're raised, and keeping them from packing. I have a Rottweiler, and she's not dangerous, better with the kid than any small dog.

With any dog you do have to be aware of packing, even if they're basically good dogs. Let two of them run wild together and there's alway potential for trouble.



The whole "the way they are raised thing" is non-sense and not a "predictor" of biting behavior. Have had plenty of patients with crush fractures to the metacarpals ( hand bones) from their "pet dogs" who went a little to far in an "agressive" moment from an otherwise tame and docile dog. The problem with the big and powerful dogs lies in the fact that the big dogs do a lot of damage, as compared to the **CENSORED**er spaniel who does not have a "catch and hold" bite.



http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Attacks%201982%20to%202006%20Clifton.pdf

Here is a link for some dog bite info if you care
Good post. Pretty serious stuff: over HALF of ALL dog attacks are by Pit Bulls, disproportionate, to say the least. So much for the "humans make the poor, misunderstood puppies  do it" argument...

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#52 : May 25, 2007, 11:06:10 PM

you guys think he will get suspended

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#53 : May 25, 2007, 11:49:55 PM

IT's not the breeds. IT's how they're raised, and keeping them from packing. I have a Rottweiler, and she's not dangerous, better with the kid than any small dog.

With any dog you do have to be aware of packing, even if they're basically good dogs. Let two of them run wild together and there's alway potential for trouble.



The whole "the way they are raised thing" is non-sense and not a "predictor" of biting behavior. Have had plenty of patients with crush fractures to the metacarpals ( hand bones) from their "pet dogs" who went a little to far in an "agressive" moment from an otherwise tame and docile dog. The problem with the big and powerful dogs lies in the fact that the big dogs do a lot of damage, as compared to the **CENSORED**er spaniel who does not have a "catch and hold" bite.



http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Attacks%201982%20to%202006%20Clifton.pdf

Here is a link for some dog bite info if you care
Good post. Pretty serious stuff: over HALF of ALL dog attacks are by Pit Bulls, disproportionate, to say the least. So much for the "humans make the poor, misunderstood puppies  do it" argument...

Nothing in the article counters that argument.  You need to learn to read statistics.  All that is reported there is reported attacks.  There is no backgrounding, no weighing, just raw numbers.

One of the biggest problems with the "big dogs" is their popularity with bad people.   EDIT    Pits and Rotts, and shepherds and Dobermen to a lesser extent, are indeed sought after by people who want a "mean" dog.  Pits because they are bred for a purpose like that, Rotts because of size and strength.  EDIT

Anyway, back to statistics, while the numbers of attacks are clearly greater, these numbers aren't "Perfect world" scenarios.  Just as humans from a dysfuntional home are more likely to commit crime, so are dogs.  And Pits and Rotts and other big dogs are dispropotrionately likely to end up in such a place.  But there is no sure way to measure that, so it makes the numbers useless for prooving a dogs natural likleyhood to attack as opposed to their nurtured one.

The numbers are also not weighed to include the number of attacks that go unreported.  Not too many people report a Shih-tzu bite "attack".  So there's nothing in those numbers to indicate any particular breed is more likely to attack than the whole of the dog population.  What they DO say is that You are more likely to get an attack that is injurious enough to need attention by one of the larger (or pit) breeds.  Well no duh! 

While I'm not a fan of Pits (and the breed has, as cobra stated, been diluted by bad breeders, which does impact their aggressiveness) they can be good dogs.  And every risk has a trade-off.  Ask a security specialist/cop and they'll tell you the best security system in the world is a well-trained Rottweiller.  Not an abused mean chained up one, but a well trained well-adjusted one.  Then hop on the net and look up how many sex offenders live within a mile of you and add that to your actuarial risk.

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#54 : May 26, 2007, 08:49:19 AM

Hope your Rotty doesn't get a hold of your kid.  I as a parent of 5 kids think anyone with small kids and a big dog is nuts.  But have at it and make sure you know a good plastics guy to sew  up the kids. 


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#55 : May 29, 2007, 08:10:04 PM

The mind of those convinced that it's the "Pit-Bulls" fault or the fault that the dog is big can have the same argument made about large humans causing more injury in a fistfight than smaller humans.  Is it the large man's fault that he's naturally bigger than a smaller man, especially if the smaller man with the "little-man" complex happens to start the fight and takes an butt-whoppin'.  Do we start to believe that all larger males are more aggressive than smaller ones, or could it be based on the upbringing of the man, and the training that he has in fighting?

See, I'm not really looking for answers; I'm just trying to open eyes to the other side of the coin.  I know that a Pit trained to fight is more aggressive than a Pit not trained to fight, and a Germ Shep trained to attack on command is just as deadly as a loaded gun, so can be a Rottie.  We as people would like to think that we control these animals, but it's only through the dog accepting us as owners into their world as a pack animal that makes the difference.  For a dog owner to own one dog and place it outside to live alone is cruel in my opinion, dogs are not loners.  If that dog gets angry enough about the abuse that they are subjected to (bad weather, loneliness, no food, no water, being chained) the little things that may be forgotten about as owners, no matter how subtle, they become prone to bite anyone in the family, probably the next one to open that patio door.

So have a nice day, and remember to love your animals, they did not choose you...........you chose them.

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#56 : May 29, 2007, 08:57:31 PM

This story is very interesting.  I don't know if the longer it goes on its good news or bad news for Vick. 

The sale of the house is VERY shady. Reminds me of the OJ chase. Why are you running away if you're not guilty? Why sell the house at a HUGE loss if you're not involved in any of the activities there?

I'll be curious to see if authorities can actually pin Vick down.  I still think he'll get out of this - and not even get a suspension from the league.  Like his boy, McKay, I think Vick is untouchable as well.  He's scum of the earth and I think he's DEEPLY involved with this dog thing.  Only thing worse than this is murderers and pedophiles.  What a dirtbag.
He is untouchable.  It will be hard to place him PROOF POSITIVE at the dogfights.  We all know he was there.  We all know he is a dirtball.  But we all know there isn't anything that is going to nail him to the wall.  He will walk, scott-free, and play this year.  I think it is a shame considering the low-brow antics he gets involved in.  The man can run, and can sell jerseys.  Big friggin deal.  He is a moron.  He should be suspended.

But the feds won't get anything on him.  Just watch.


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#57 : May 30, 2007, 04:11:07 PM

The sound booth better have "who let the dogs out" cued up, and ready to go when Vick comes to Tampa.




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#58 : May 30, 2007, 04:37:43 PM

The sound booth better have "who let the dogs out" cued up, and ready to go when Vick comes to Tampa.


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#59 : May 30, 2007, 04:41:45 PM

This story is very interesting.  I don't know if the longer it goes on its good news or bad news for Vick. 

The sale of the house is VERY shady. Reminds me of the OJ chase. Why are you running away if you're not guilty? Why sell the house at a HUGE loss if you're not involved in any of the activities there?

I'll be curious to see if authorities can actually pin Vick down.  I still think he'll get out of this - and not even get a suspension from the league.  Like his boy, McKay, I think Vick is untouchable as well.  He's scum of the earth and I think he's DEEPLY involved with this dog thing.  Only thing worse than this is murderers and pedophiles.  What a dirtbag.
He is untouchable.  It will be hard to place him PROOF POSITIVE at the dogfights.  We all know he was there.  We all know he is a dirtball.  But we all know there isn't anything that is going to nail him to the wall.  He will walk, scott-free, and play this year.  I think it is a shame considering the low-brow antics he gets involved in.  The man can run, and can sell jerseys.  Big friggin deal.  He is a moron.  He should be suspended.

But the feds won't get anything on him.  Just watch.

You are EXACTLY right, Boid.  I couldn't agree more.

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