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#75 : May 29, 2007, 10:58:32 AM


you aren't building for the future, you are desperately trying to win games at the expense of taking away snaps from the guy who, in theory, will be around when team IS a QB away from the play offs.

That guy is not on the roster.

Which is the issue, if you think Simms or Grads has any long-term chance of being "the guy" then Garcia is a lousy move mainly because 5th and 2nd year players shouldn't be a huge liability to win games. What Garcia says is that they don't think anyone on this roster is the answer.  Plummer says it even more loudly because he's a guy this FO looks at and likely thinks has a 4-5 year lifespan and that means Simms and Grads aren't the man for the long-term here so no one is stealing reprs from the QB of the future because there is no future.


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#76 : May 29, 2007, 12:14:11 PM

The team isn't a QB away from the play offs, they are building for the future, or at least they should be. When you sign a 37 year old QB, who was the second choice after courting a 33 year old QB, you aren't building for the future, you are desperately trying to win games at the expense of taking away snaps from the guy who, in theory, will be around when team IS a QB away from the play offs.

That guy is not on the roster.

huh? You can't look at things in black and white, there's a ton of grey area to think about. Sure, signing a 37yr old QB isn't building for the future (black and white) but signing a competent 37 yrd old QB to hold the fort down for a year or two while you figure out what to do with the scrubs behind him is a much more clear picture (grey).

I mean, do you roll through your life thinking that way? If the guy isn't on the roster who are you taking snaps away from? Think before you type.


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#77 : May 29, 2007, 12:21:14 PM

He's not a great QB anymore, and maybe he never was, but he's better than Simms and Grads so that position should get better to some degree that we could discuss.

of course every FO wants to win games, that's exactly my point. We agree for the most part on the Garcia signing. I'm not sure where people are getting it twisted, I have yet to see someone spit that Garcia will take the Bucs to the SB. It seems that everyone is in agreement of what Garcia means, I thought.

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#78 : May 29, 2007, 12:30:01 PM

It means the qb of the future is not here.

It means the bucs want to get started winning sooner rather than later

It means the Oline might get the extra guys out of the box

It means Caddy might see some holes

It means the team is trying to move the franchise forward.

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#79 : May 29, 2007, 09:11:45 PM

JEFF
Gender:    Male
Origin:    English
Meaning:    Gift Of Peace
http://www.zelo.com/firstnames/findresults.asp?name=jeff&x=0&y=0

GARCIA
Definition: Surname is of uncertain origin but could possibly have and of the following meanings: 1) From a medieval given name meaning "like a fox." 2) a descendant of Garcia, Spanish form of Gerald 3) one who came from Garcia, in Spain. According to Elsdon C. Smith, the name Garcia could mean either "descendant of Garcia, Spanish form of Gerald" or "one who came from Garcia, in Spain."
http://genealogy.about.com/library/surnames/g/bl_name-GARCIA.htm

And THAT my friends, is what Jeff Garcia means.




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#80 : May 29, 2007, 11:51:37 PM

Oh well, thread over, everyone go home, caradoc gave away the ending and ruined it for everyone.


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#81 : May 30, 2007, 09:32:01 AM

reports say jeff garcia might retire....

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#82 : May 30, 2007, 02:48:35 PM

reports say jeff garcia might retire....

So will Brady Quinn...now tell us when?


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#83 : May 30, 2007, 06:30:12 PM

Nahh Jeff isn't gonna retire, he got a cush job he doesn't have to compete for. Why would he retire now?


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#84 : May 31, 2007, 12:42:48 PM

reports say jeff garcia might retire....

And what reports would those be?  The fat guy at the end of the bar, with his laptop and "Star Fleet Official Member" t-shirt on?


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#85 : May 31, 2007, 12:43:58 PM

Uh, huh. You don't know the answer, yet you speculate, and as usual, you are incorrect. Game over, you lose.
I can only guess that you went Wyoming (By the sig).

Nope.  Java made me the sig, cause I wanted bucking horses in it.


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#86 : May 31, 2007, 12:46:26 PM

Garcia is a desperation move by a FO/HC that needs to win 9 games to keep his job. No more no less.



On the plus side, he is better than Simms and Grads. For what that is worth.

Such a tired, tired argument in the first sentence only to put your foot in your mouth in the second. This HC and FO just wants to win games, period. Do you honestly think they're making moves thinking "we have to get 9 wins to keep our jobs" ? ? Hell no, a bag boy at Publix thinks that way, BA and JG would get a job the second they get canned. They just want to win games at all costs and Jeff Garcia was one of the top QB's out on the market at a position that HAD to be upgraded.

"But on the plus side he is beter than Simms and Grads" LMFAO at this line.

Some teams continually hire old talent to make a playoff push every year.  Some teams only draft young talent.  GOOD teams do both.  They draft for the future, but get some "win now" guys so the team doesn't experience a lull while "rebuilding".  That's what BA and JG are trying to do.


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#87 : May 31, 2007, 01:15:26 PM

Garcia is a desperation move by a FO/HC that needs to win 9 games to keep his job. No more no less.



On the plus side, he is better than Simms and Grads. For what that is worth.

Such a tired, tired argument in the first sentence only to put your foot in your mouth in the second. This HC and FO just wants to win games, period. Do you honestly think they're making moves thinking "we have to get 9 wins to keep our jobs" ? ? Hell no, a bag boy at Publix thinks that way, BA and JG would get a job the second they get canned. They just want to win games at all costs and Jeff Garcia was one of the top QB's out on the market at a position that HAD to be upgraded.

"But on the plus side he is beter than Simms and Grads" LMFAO at this line.

Some teams continually hire old talent to make a playoff push every year. Some teams only draft young talent. GOOD teams do both. They draft for the future, but get some "win now" guys so the team doesn't experience a lull while "rebuilding". That's what BA and JG are trying to do.
^^^Don't let logic get in the way of your hate, though, Curt.
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