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#15 : May 30, 2007, 06:52:51 PM

Europe doesn't care about football.

Well, not our version anyway.  Look at NFL Europe and the fact they've had to cut down the amount of teams and what-not.



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#16 : May 30, 2007, 06:57:59 PM

Europe doesn't care about football.

Well, not our version anyway. Look at NFL Europe and the fact they've had to cut down the amount of teams and what-not.
Who says they don't care? Look at the product the NFL gives them, it offers no stability, no consistency in players, and it's so far out of the way that teams sign street players just to send off without any intent of using those players later on. Let us not compare this to say the AHL or the minor leagues in baseball, heck even the NBDL has been operated better than NFLE.

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#17 : May 30, 2007, 08:53:05 PM

Europe doesn't care about football.

Well, not our version anyway. Look at NFL Europe and the fact they've had to cut down the amount of teams and what-not.
Who says they don't care? Look at the product the NFL gives them, it offers no stability, no consistency in players, and it's so far out of the way that teams sign street players just to send off without any intent of using those players later on. Let us not compare this to say the AHL or the minor leagues in baseball, heck even the NBDL has been operated better than NFLE.

What do you think the new league would be, then, a bunch of immediate superstars?  Please, one of the biggest rips on the XFL was because the level of play sucked, due to them being NFL rejects.  It will be no different here.  The ones who are truly good will go to the NFL or play in this new league until an NFL team realizes how good they are and signs them.

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#18 : May 31, 2007, 02:19:51 AM

Maybe they could take a couple of REAL GOOD safeties off our hands.

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#19 : May 31, 2007, 03:53:29 AM

Wow... this is like.. the first this has ever happened..

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#20 : May 31, 2007, 07:42:16 AM

I cant believe anyone would even try.waste of time and money.

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#21 : May 31, 2007, 08:44:24 AM

I played in the WFL both years, Birmingham, Portland and Philadelphia.

Where the city had an NFL and WFL team, the WFL team didn't draw. Where they had just a WFL team, the attendance was good. Additionally, we started the season 6 weeks earlier than the NFL. Before the NFL pre-season started, we had a lot of interest. When the NFL season started for real, the league was irrelevant.

I thought the USFL had a good model before Trump's ego killed it. I was a big Banditball fan.

The Arena League is an OK replacement for football fans with the Off-Season Jones (like me). Fun and cheap, it's like a combination of football, pinball and a rock concert.

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#22 : May 31, 2007, 09:13:23 AM

The tough thing for the UFL vs the WFL and USFL are the number of teams the NFL now has.

74-75: NFL has 26 teams
83-85: NFL has 28 teams
UFL has to face 32 NFL teams

You are talking about the league sucking up 8-12 more QB's (starters and backups because any quality backup ins't gonna go to the UFL) than against those leagues which is where the talent will get really thin really fast and the average fan will notice the game play being weak.

You wonder if they run this in the fall if you basically have the AFL players migrate and play indoors in the spring and outdoors in the fall.

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#23 : May 31, 2007, 11:24:24 AM

Like cobra said - if they go head to head with NFL then it will suffer by comparison. Even if they go to cities that don't have teams...there aren't a lot of big cities with no team. Unless they play in Nebraska, Alabama...

If they compete for top shelf talent the league will face financial issues - as a great percentage of finances would deveoted to salary rather than operations and advertising. If they don't go after some talent they will have a poor product, and no one will watch.

This is the dilemma the WFL and the USFL faced. An additional problem was conflicting goals of the ownership group which seemed to have a weak commisioner towards the end of the viability of the USFL. The WFL is a little more fuzzy, but I recall the USFL pretty clearly and thinking that they were viable. They lasted several years and would have been very succesful had they maintained spring ball and contracted (shrank) from some non-profitable cities. I thought they did a good job of putting teams where there either A) were no professional teams (Birmingham, Jacksonville, San Antonio, etc) AND B) major market cities that could support exciting competitive footbal (LA, Oakland, New Jersey/New York). They experimented with areas like Portland, etc. (which was another hallmark of that league) but generally speaking, the USFL was mostly succesful in those two areas.

Which takes me back to Dal's point - the NFL's expansion into areas like Jacksonville, and going back to Baltimore, Cleveland and Houston, sort of limits some of the better areas to take advantage of - there really aren't areas screaming for football - as there were in the USFL days.

If any new league were to model the USFL and play in the spring, focus on some core cities that don't yet have a team and some large market cities that do, it might be succesful. Staying small would also limit the requirement for so many elite players - which would keep a lid on your salary exposure.

Any league trying to compete - head to head - with the NFL for TV time, or talent, will be an excercise in how to spend rich folks money, poorly....imho

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#24 : May 31, 2007, 11:53:42 AM

Any league trying to compete - head to head - with the NFL for TV time, or talent, will be an excercise in how to spend rich folks money, poorly....imho

Very true, but even if they're not trying to compete, they will still be compared to the NFL and fall.  If you remember, the XFL started in February and never said they were better than the NFL.  They just had a few different rules and obviously a lower quality of play.  It brought so much criticism that, even though they said they were still working out the kinks and that this was only the first year and it would get better, etc., it was basically forced off the air.  Most of the criticism- it was nowhere near the NFL.  But like I said, they never claimed to have an NFL worthy product.  Still, unfortunately for them, they were still placed side by side with a league that's been around for 80 years and it was their demise.  The same will happen here...especially since they're coming out and saying it WILL compete.

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#25 : May 31, 2007, 11:59:12 AM

Vince McMahon was a lightning rod for that league. he was the worst thing for the league. he smelled of phoniness, hence the perception that the league was a total joke.

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#26 : May 31, 2007, 12:50:07 PM

Reports say the new league would play on Friday Nights. They're also saying they're going to try to steal the NFL's third to fourth round draft picks. Good luck.

Putting their season against the NFL's is a joke. They's stand a chance in late Winter through early Summer as many have said. Start the season in March and go through May or early June.

The XFL had great marketing but ther were WAY too many distractions from the game itself. I would've liked to have seen what could have happened if they were able to get through a couple more seasons with a lot less Vince McMahon and the sideshow that he brought with him.

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#27 : May 31, 2007, 01:26:53 PM

Vince McMahon was a lightning rod for that league. he was the worst thing for the league. he smelled of phoniness, hence the perception that the league was a total joke.

Yep, that single linkage just killed the league's credibility, especially with the sports writers. Once that group tuned out, the league wasn't "news" and so people thought it was a no go.

To COR's point they need to be up and going to have a full (as in March to August) offseason. When the World League of American Football (the pre-cursor to NFLE)  launched they did so with about 2 weeks of training camp for the teams. Those first few games were a hoard of gaffs. Especially special teams where any long-snap was a prayer. The product looked abd and millions of potential viewers tuned out.

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#28 : May 31, 2007, 01:42:02 PM

Reports say the new league would play on Friday Nights. They're also saying they're going to try to steal the NFL's third to fourth round draft picks. Good luck.

Putting their season against the NFL's is a joke. They's stand a chance in late Winter through early Summer as many have said. Start the season in March and go through May or early June.

The XFL had great marketing but ther were WAY too many distractions from the game itself. I would've liked to have seen what could have happened if they were able to get through a couple more seasons with a lot less Vince McMahon and the sideshow that he brought with him.
If the UFL offers over slot money I'd bet they'd land quite a few 3rd / 4th round type, and also with no age limit guys who don't want to go to college and want to play pro football can jump right into the UFL.



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#29 : May 31, 2007, 01:44:21 PM

Europe doesn't care about football.

Well, not our version anyway. Look at NFL Europe and the fact they've had to cut down the amount of teams and what-not.
Who says they don't care? Look at the product the NFL gives them, it offers no stability, no consistency in players, and it's so far out of the way that teams sign street players just to send off without any intent of using those players later on. Let us not compare this to say the AHL or the minor leagues in baseball, heck even the NBDL has been operated better than NFLE.

What do you think the new league would be, then, a bunch of immediate superstars? Please, one of the biggest rips on the XFL was because the level of play sucked, due to them being NFL rejects. It will be no different here. The ones who are truly good will go to the NFL or play in this new league until an NFL team realizes how good they are and signs them.
Not if they want a quick buck or can't, nor do they want, to go to college for three years.
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