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Unless they are underground Joe, IMO I think the number of photos taken of Mars, particularly by satellites, rovers, explorers etc would have come up with at least some inclination of ruins. There are vast expanses of rocky terrain so I don't think we can explain it by simply saying they would be buried under sand or similar.
With all due respect Joe, some of this stuff is pretty fascinating and can be construed as areas of interest should we actually go and have a extended look on Mars, but I see faces, animals, objects and all kinds of wierd and wonderful things in the clouds, but what does that proove? It is certainly not a basis for debuncting any kind of religion.
Quote from: Spartan on June 12, 2007, 01:57:49 PMWith all due respect Joe, some of this stuff is pretty fascinating and can be construed as areas of interest should we actually go and have a extended look on Mars, but I see faces, animals, objects and all kinds of wierd and wonderful things in the clouds, but what does that proove? It is certainly not a basis for debuncting any kind of religion.If you actually read the books and/or papers that have been written on the subject you will see how it's notabout seeing weird and wonderful things in the clouds or on Mars. With all due respect, have you read any ofthe serious work that has been done on this topic or are you assuming things?Debunking religion? I didn't start this thread and it's not the angle I usually take when talking aboutCydonia. I responded to the original post and even then didn't say it would debunk religion. Now, ifsomeone else had a hand in the creation/evolution of Mankind? That's another story.
FYI, and I think I have said this before, I am actually extremely interested in the whole SciFi, extra terrestial thing. Outside of sports I think the SciFi Channel is my favorite. Ok, it might compete with the History Channel but it's a close call. This isn't some kind of anti-science fiction/fantasy/<insert some un-insulting phrase here>, I just try to put things into perspective and rationalize. I would be totally fascinated if stuff was found on Mars, but I try to see things that are there rather than try to see things I want to be there. If I don't see something I say so, simple as that.
Sorry but Wiki is not the only place with info. on the scrolls.And yes, some of it seems to contradict the Bible in a big way.http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0193627.htmlThe scrolls also shed light on the time when Jesus and John the Baptist lived and early Christians began to organize. Specifically, they offer evidence that early Christian beliefs and practices had precedents in the Jewish sects of the time. Sectarian scrolls tell of people who, like the early Christians, did not believe in the Temple worship of the Pharisees, people who had their own literature, their own ritualsâ€”including baptismâ€”and their own beliefs, most significantly beliefs in a messiah, a divine judgment, and an apocalypse. Three different scrolls depict a sacred meal of bread and wine. These similarities as well as parallels between the literary style of certain scrolls and that of the New Testament have led some scholars to claim that Jesus and John the Baptist were either part of or strongly influenced by a sect at the Dead Sea. But no direct link has been established, and it is likely that similarities can be attributed to each being derived from a like strain of Judaism. Still, this debate has furthered speculation about the historical Jesus, such as the claim that he was a Zealot rather than a pacifist, a theory that does not fit with New Testament tradition but does fit with the history of this period. And one of the most important discoveries in the scrolls has been the use of the name Son of God to refer to someone other than Jesus, implying a cultural use of the term that was not itself synonymous with God.