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#15 : June 30, 2007, 01:51:28 PM

Chris has a very high opinion of his ability. We knew this as far back as the draft when he was stunned he fell to the third. That confidence is certainly something necessary in a pro player, but I think he's not realistic in his self-assessment. The contract he turned down was more than fair value for him, and he did himself a disservice by not taking it -- the staff obviously knew his current skill level better than he did. Had he been a bit more realistic he migh not have passed on that. That was his mistake, re-signing here this year wasn't

As for changing his mind "knowing what he knows now", what exactly does that mean? Knowing that they were bringing in a Vet after his horrible showing? He already knew that was coming. Knowing that his motion was shot? I wonder how that would be any different had he not signed with us this year.

Chris still has a chance here, he's just got to earn it. How about that. Having to earn something. Thats not really a terrible thing. Just show that you can be the guy, Tampa is his best chance for that, had he gone somewhere else with his hurt motion and had to learn a new system he'd be sitting all year now matter what. Here at least he can work his way back to the #2 spot.





Yet according to Gruden Garcia is the starting QB... So how exactly has Garcia earned that? Playing well in mini camps earns you a start in the NFL? Playing good LAST season behind a much better O-line and HB to whom many of Garcias passes went to earn him a start? What makes anybody know for sure that we wil get the Eagles Garcia and not the Lions Garcia?
A respectful coach would not even mention starter, and I am sure when they were negotiating with Simms, nothing came up about Earning a start, which he has already done twice for this team.
I guess some Gruden lovers will claim its his way of motivating his QB's, like going off on Simms to the media about when he was drafted, yet putting all his hopes into a QB that was not even good enough to be drafted in the NFL and another that went in the 6th round.
You chose to judge Simms by his worst games, well try judging Garcia by his worse games and you won't like what you see either.
Throw in the fact that he is 37, and has a noodle arm and you are left with not much of a QB IMO.

Simms can't throw right now. That's why there's no competition.

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#16 : June 30, 2007, 02:36:28 PM

Simms regrets taking 10M to stay in Tampa instead of the league min to not play somewhere else??

The local media acts like this guy had any value on the FA market. The Bucs did him a favor and he should just keep his mouth shut and work hard to prove he can play.

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#17 : June 30, 2007, 03:02:48 PM

The local media acts like this guy had any value on the FA market. The Bucs did him a favor and he should just keep his mouth shut and work hard to prove he can play.

It's is news when an injured, former starter QB, is openly regulated basically to the role of a rookie.


Freedom of Speech.  If you read closely, ignoring the article title, you will realize that his statements don't hint at emotional  "regret", but more towards rationalization.

Simms is asked if he would've signed a two-year, $5-million extension with the Bucs last December had he known all that would transpire during this turbulent offseason?

"I don't know. I would've definitely re-evaluated the situation, " Simms said. ""That's an honest answer."


Wow, what an honest answer!  He has no idea if he would have made the same decision because this "particular factor" was not considered when making his decision.

Particular Factor:  Losing the starter role in the off-season mini camp, prior to the more openly competitive period of training camp.  In addition, to the crux of needing to practice your rhythm, but not being given the reps to do so as a third slotted starter.


"... when it came time to re-sign ... I know I've loved it here up to this point and just can't see being anywhere else, " ... that's the whole reason my wife and I decided we wanted to stay here."[/b]


Most humans tend to make a single decision based on numerous factors, but here he states that a single factor guided his decision -- still expressing no "regret".


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#18 : June 30, 2007, 04:48:52 PM

I assume Simms re-signed trusting it would be an open competition but Gruden didn't live up his end of the deal. Handing, yes handing, Garcia the starting job in the spring is a disgrace.

I'm glad it's happened this soon. Simms is garbage and all you huggers are having a hard time coming to grips with reality. Simms has said he expected the Bucs to grab other QB's and who wouldn't be after that turd laying last year. I don't get the loyalty to Simms here, he hasn't earned anything yet and dude puked all over himself in the first 3 games. 

This position was by far and away the worst and people complain about Garcia? What did you want the FO to do to upgrade that position? Everyone's always blasting never coming back with some sort of solution as to how you would have liked it to go down.

No, that's a horrible post UM but I don't expect anything else. Your hard-on for Simms is getting in the way from looking logically at this situation. It's as simples as Simms hasn't come back to form, at all, and Garcia is running circles around him.

Don't you think if the competition was close Gruden would have said it? It must be clearly obvious as to who's the starter right now and that's a direct shot at how Simms is playing right now. See in the NFL mini-camps and OTA's give the coaches a clear idea of what the depth chart will be in TC. I'm not sure if you clearly understand how this whole thing works, judging by your posts.

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#19 : June 30, 2007, 04:54:14 PM

I endorse the above post ^^^^


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#20 : June 30, 2007, 04:57:57 PM

you know it'll be interesting to see if those that are supporting Simms will STILL support him if Garcia has a great season????

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#21 : June 30, 2007, 05:03:06 PM

you know it'll be interesting to see if those that are supporting Simms will STILL support him if Garcia has a great season????

I have never been a Simms Guy, although he showed great progress in 2005 and impressed me for a few weeks.  I don't really care if Garcia or Simms is under center if the Buccs are winning.  Garcia being 37 is a problem next year but if Simms isn't the answer then Gruden needs to play Garcia and worry about the future when it arrives.


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#22 : June 30, 2007, 05:20:17 PM

I assume Simms re-signed trusting it would be an open competition but Gruden didn't live up his end of the deal. Handing, yes handing, Garcia the starting job in the spring is a disgrace.

I'm glad it's happened this soon. Simms is garbage and all you huggers are having a hard time coming to grips with reality. Simms has said he expected the Bucs to grab other QB's and who wouldn't be after that turd laying last year. I don't get the loyalty to Simms here, he hasn't earned anything yet and dude puked all over himself in the first 3 games. 

This position was by far and away the worst and people complain about Garcia? What did you want the FO to do to upgrade that position? Everyone's always blasting never coming back with some sort of solution as to how you would have liked it to go down.

No, that's a horrible post UM but I don't expect anything else. Your hard-on for Simms is getting in the way from looking logically at this situation. It's as simples as Simms hasn't come back to form, at all, and Garcia is running circles around him.

Don't you think if the competition was close Gruden would have said it? It must be clearly obvious as to who's the starter right now and that's a direct shot at how Simms is playing right now. See in the NFL mini-camps and OTA's give the coaches a clear idea of what the depth chart will be in TC. I'm not sure if you clearly understand how this whole thing works, judging by your posts.

A. Simms isn't garbage. When he gets the support from the protection and running game he's shown amazing decision making and a knack for clutch/big plays. The offensive line he had early in 2006 was an absolute disgrace and then people like you call Simms "garbage".

B. I'm not complaing about the Garcia signing, I love the QB depth. I just want open competition. You don't hand out starting positions in spring while players in shorts if its an open competition. Why do we need an announced starter so soon? Wait till camp gets going.

Given ample protection and running game Simms can do a better job than Garcia. His decision making is impeccable and he's got a cannon. But like I said, Simms gets judged playing behind  that piece of **** line last year and Garcia gets judged playing behind a top 3 O-line with Westbrook averaging 5.8 ypc. And I'm not buying this OTA nonsense. As long as Garcia showed up with his right arm still attatched to his body he was gonna be the starter, and its complete BS.

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#23 : June 30, 2007, 05:21:16 PM


Simms is garbage and all you huggers are having a hard time coming to grips with reality.

Pretty strong and twisted words there, buddy.

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See in the NFL mini-camps and OTA's give the coaches a clear idea of what the depth chart will be in TC. I'm not sure if you clearly understand how this whole thing works, judging by your posts.

Nasty, but truly excellent point!  And some should have considered this particular point more carefully before posting their viewpoint.


I consider myself a strong Simms' supporter, and have never watched a sport of interest without identifying some arbitrary player as my favorite.

I'm really pulling for Simms' development as a player, but this pull is not exclusionary.  It's really not that deep!  I root for the Bucs (the team) on game day. 

In the past, even if one of my superstar son's was having a bad day (season?), jeopardizing the win, I would agree with the coach in pulling him, and still enjoy the game (of course confident that my spectacular son would bounce back).

Players come and go.  Simms just happens to be one of the ones I respect and support most.  He just happens to be the most prominent of a few such players with the Bucs that I lean towards.





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#24 : June 30, 2007, 05:26:03 PM

A. Simms isn't garbage. When he gets the support from the protection and running game he's shown amazing decision making and a knack for clutch/big plays.

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#25 : June 30, 2007, 07:08:06 PM

If Plummer shows up to play then there won't be any second guessing. He'll be released or traded.

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#26 : June 30, 2007, 07:15:24 PM

His decision making is impeccable and he's got a cannon.

We're watching a completely different player then JC. The line wasn't great last year but that doesn't totally explain the 1 TD and 7 int stat he threw up last year. He's going to have to prove that's an anomaly and I don't think he's got the mentals to prove it.

Why are all you Simms supporters panties in a bunch about Gruden announcing Garcia the starter? I don't get it, this isn't a brand new thing here, it's been done over and over. While Gruden thought it would be an open competition, watching Simms slow recorvery has probably changed his mind. He sees how far off Simms is right now, settle down about it.

I really feel there's no grey area with Gruden, it's all black and white. He says what he feels and isn't a calculated as some on here want to think.


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#27 : June 30, 2007, 07:22:11 PM

I have never been a Simms Guy, although he showed great progress in 2005 and impressed me for a few weeks.

I'm not so much a Simms guy as I am an anyone but Garcia guy.

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#28 : June 30, 2007, 08:14:20 PM

His decision making is impeccable and he's got a cannon.

We're watching a completely different player then JC. The line wasn't great last year but that doesn't totally explain the 1 TD and 7 int stat he threw up last year. He's going to have to prove that's an anomaly and I don't think he's got the mentals to prove it.

Why are all you Simms supporters panties in a bunch about Gruden announcing Garcia the starter? I don't get it, this isn't a brand new thing here, it's been done over and over. While Gruden thought it would be an open competition, watching Simms slow recorvery has probably changed his mind. He sees how far off Simms is right now, settle down about it.

I really feel there's no grey area with Gruden, it's all black and white. He says what he feels and isn't a calculated as some on here want to think.



In the last 8 regular season games of 2005 he had 3 INTs. That is lights out QB play.

Against the Ravens if we had Jeff Garcia the score would still have been 27-0, the line got whooped for 60 minutes.
Against ATL we got outrushed 306 to 40. Enough said.
Against Carolina he got off to a rough start but then turned it around played his guts out, literally.

Simms never was the problem, it was always the line play. Thats why the last 2 off-seasons have been O-line focused.

In the first 3 games we got outrushed 512 to 140. Thats a freaking embarrassment.

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#29 : June 30, 2007, 08:27:40 PM

You would think he woulda knew the Bucs were going to add another QB.....

1. Both Simms and Gradkowski would have been the only 2 QBs under contract if Simms re-signed.
2. Simms went 1 TD to 7 INT with an 0-3 record as the starting QB.  He had a whole off-season to prepare as the starting QB and he fell flat on his face.  What did he expect Gruden to invest all of his confidence in a QB that does THAT after you reward him with the starting job?

3. Again, for Simms not to realize that Gruden was going to add Garcia or some vet, makes me question Simms intelligence.  The Coach needs to win in order to keep his "Dream job" and i dont think anyone in their right mind would go into the season AGAIN with Simms and just Gradkowski backing up.


Bottom Line:  I think Simms knew the Bucs were going to add a QB, but he expected to be the starter.  I guess when you know you have no shot to beat out Garcia(more so that hes playing better then the people who say Gruden doesnt like Simms), you would second guess your decision.

As for the people that say Gruden doesnt like Simms....Um, he thought enough of him to make him the starter.  Boy did our coach misjude that one.  JC510, you do realize that Simms also had about 10 starts that year.  In 3 games, he had 7 touchdowns.  In the other 7 games, he managed just 3 TD passes.  We misjudged him and he was clearly a result of the #1 ranked Defense and a rookie of the year Running back.  It showed when it took him 3 games to throw 1 TD pass this season.  Listen, I woulda loved for Simms to pane out...but he didn't...

Give Garcia the reigns to get us into the playoffs...and you never know...we did it before with BJ...and the Ravens did it with Dilfer.  We will get our franchise QB next year in the draft most likely, but dont try to pull strings for Simms after he dissapointed us this season.  Gruden PROBABLY LOVES THE KID...to give that piece of trash 2.5 mil a year after he broke his spleen and stunk up the joint.
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