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« : June 30, 2007, 07:24:43 PM »

 As we all know that offenses are driven by the QB. I believe Garcia is such a big upgrade over Simms and Grads. I believe a healthy Garcia could make the Bucs offense a top 10 offense, make Caddy a 1700 APB and hand Clayton/Stovall a 80/1000 receiver. How do you think the top Offensive teams in the NFL (Colts,Bengals,Saints,etc...)  would have faired with Simms/Grads at QB?  I think those teams would just be average teams at best. Would you agree?  I think you'll be amazed at what Garcia/Plummer will bring to this offense. Kool Aid drinker?  maybe, but I do believe this. Agree? Disagree?  Thanks

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« #1 : June 30, 2007, 08:17:33 PM »

well I agree with you somewhat.  I do believe Garcia is an upgrade over Simms and Grads...but I'm not going to compare him to the Colts, Bengals, Saints(Manning, Palmer, Brees).

I'm exicted for the upcoming season.  It boast us a very winnable schedule and with Garcia, I believe we can have similar success to what we had with Griese(who had us 5-1) and Brad Johnson(threw for over 20 TDs 2 seasons with us, including that Super Bowl).

I think Garcia is a better QB then Griese and probably better then Brad Johnson, although Brad was pretty lights out our Super Bowl year....


So as you think it will give us a top 10 offense, I agree it's possible.  However, I see us being in the mid-range, maybe 15th ranked.  That is certainly better then the 30 some odd ranking we had last year and would get us into the playoffs.  I think Caddy will get back on track with an actual QB back there.  No more 8 guys in the box and I do think Clayton will get back on track.   However, I dont see him breaking 1000 yards.  I see more of a 800 yard, 4-5 TD range.  Certainly isn't earth shattering, but STELLAR compared to his past 2 seasons.  I think the ball will be spread around more with Garcia at QB, so I do see Stovall having like 500 yards.

The Defense and Running game will be key, IMO, to us getting back on track.  I think the Defense will be back in the top 10.  WE RANKED 17th last year, but with Rice and Kelly back, along with the additions of Adams, Carter, June, and Piscitelli; I think we will be back to doing what we do best.  As for the running game, with Garcia able to throw the ball and scramble to make plays, you will see defenders back off and give Caddy some room.  We also have a much improved offensive line.


So as you may be a little TOO HOMERISH, I'll take you half way into the Bucs going 10-6, having a top 10 D, and about the middle in offense...

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« #2 : June 30, 2007, 08:38:24 PM »

idk ... I hear what your saying and I truly believe this offense is better, but I'm not sure about being top 10 and surely I have a hard time [right now] seeing Caddy get 1700 all purpose yards.  One step at a time.  I'd be happy around 20 after watching last year, but if the D struggles much like it did last year and ain't somewhere around the top 10, the O will need to be around 15 if this staff plans on coming back.

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« #3 : July 01, 2007, 03:25:46 PM »

Top 20 would make me happy, top 15 would be amazing, and top 10 would be unbelievable. If we get a top 10 Offense along with a top 10 Defense, we would be going deep into the playoffs. I, like Badabingnrt and BTownBucFan, see us around the middle in the offensive rank.


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« #4 : July 01, 2007, 03:44:10 PM »

Boy some of you are in for a shock, you must not have watched just how good San Frans O-line was for the bulk of Garcias Career there, or noticed that Frye and Kitna did as good and better than Garcia did for the SAME TEAMS respectivly, and seem to forget we don't have a 700 recieving yard, 1,200 rushing yard HB on our roster, and the Eagles O-line is much better than ours.
Garcia is a few months younger than Favre and look how Favre has regressed and I would bet Favres Daughter has a better arm than Garcia, yet all that plus his age, and the fact that 4 teams have let him walk somehow equate to a top 10 offense...
Then again I recall the posts about Grad's and how Gruden found the next Tom Brady, and how good he looks in practice and against 4th string scrubs in Pre-Season, and the Gruden knows best blank response, and wasn't Grad's the worse rated QB, or maybe it was the Raider QB, but he was down there..LMAO

Gruden could make a killing selling swamp land to some of you guys.

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« #5 : July 01, 2007, 03:59:01 PM »

Boy some of you are in for a shock, you must not have watched just how good San Frans O-line was for the bulk of Garcias Career there, or noticed that Frye and Kitna did as good and better than Garcia did for the SAME TEAMS respectivly, and seem to forget we don't have a 700 recieving yard, 1,200 rushing yard HB on our roster, and the Eagles O-line is much better than ours.
Garcia is a few months younger than Favre and look how Favre has regressed and I would bet Favres Daughter has a better arm than Garcia, yet all that plus his age, and the fact that 4 teams have let him walk somehow equate to a top 10 offense...
Then again I recall the posts about Grad's and how Gruden found the next Tom Brady, and how good he looks in practice and against 4th string scrubs in Pre-Season, and the Gruden knows best blank response, and wasn't Grad's the worse rated QB, or maybe it was the Raider QB, but he was down there..LMAO

Gruden could make a killing selling swamp land to some of you guys.


What Garcia did in the past is irrelevant, the point is he is better suited to what Gruden wants to do on offense than Simms.......even you can see that.   ???


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« #6 : July 01, 2007, 04:00:40 PM »

I think the offense will rank somewhere in the middle of the pack, around 17th.  Garcia will do a good job and Cadillac will have many holes to run through, due to the improved O-line, and improvement at the QB spot.  Cadillac will drive our offense (no pun intended), and lead us to 9-10 wins.

However, I don't see it completely out of the realm of possibility that we end up with a top ten offense.  It could happen.  Will it?  Probably not.  But we can still hope.

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« #7 : July 01, 2007, 04:21:43 PM »

<What Garcia did in the past is irrelevant, the point is he is better suited to what Gruden wants to do on offense than Simms.......even you can see that.   >

You beat me to the punch on that. I don't understand spouting off things that everyone already knows..and is
past history. Peyton should never have won a SB if we went soley on his past history. That's the beauty of
football..and sports for that matter. The whole(team) is greater than the sum of the parts. Every year brings
a different chemistry. Garcia can hopefully(and I think he will) invigorate what was a rather slumbering offense.
It doesn't really have to be Top 10..



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« #8 : July 01, 2007, 06:10:46 PM »

As we all know that offenses are driven by the QB. I believe Garcia is such a big upgrade over Simms and Grads. I believe a healthy Garcia could make the Bucs offense a top 10 offense, make Caddy a 1700 APB and hand Clayton/Stovall a 80/1000 receiver. How do you think the top Offensive teams in the NFL (Colts,Bengals,Saints,etc...) would have faired with Simms/Grads at QB? I think those teams would just be average teams at best. Would you agree? I think you'll be amazed at what Garcia/Plummer will bring to this offense. Kool Aid drinker? maybe, but I do believe this. Agree? Disagree? Thanks

Top 10 might be a bit much..... middle of the pack is more my expectation. I don't think Carnell has 1700 yds in him and we don't know what the hell we'll see from Clayton. With a legit qb at the helm, I remain cautiously optimistic.

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« #9 : July 01, 2007, 08:10:51 PM »

My expectation is more towards the middle of the pack.

I don't think Garcia is or can be an elite Quarterback but I agree with him being an upgrade over whoever else we have on the roster at this point.

Improving the offense to a more middle of the pack type rank isn't entirely out of the question, IMO.

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« #10 : July 01, 2007, 08:14:54 PM »

My expectation is more towards the middle of the pack.

I don't think Garcia is or can be an elite Quarterback but I agree with him being an upgrade over whoever else we have on the roster at this point.

Improving the offense to a more middle of the pack type rank isn't entirely out of the question, IMO.
I agree, he won't be an elite QB, but I can see him being a better QB in Gruden system then Brad Johnson was, and we won a SuperBowl with him.
With solid play at QB with a solid OL, and That Killer Bucs D that we are capable of. We could be playing some post season football this year!


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« #11 : July 01, 2007, 08:16:52 PM »

My expectation is more towards the middle of the pack.

I don't think Garcia is or can be an elite Quarterback but I agree with him being an upgrade over whoever else we have on the roster at this point.

Improving the offense to a more middle of the pack type rank isn't entirely out of the question, IMO.
I agree, he won't be an elite QB, but I can see him being a better QB in Gruden system then Brad Johnson was, And we won a SuperBowl with him

Very true. I think Garcia could be AT LEAST as good as Brad was when Brad was here, and yes, we did win a Super Bowl with Brad. If I'm not mistaken, didn't our offense in 2003 rank 10th overall with Brad too?

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« #12 : July 01, 2007, 08:20:48 PM »

My expectation is more towards the middle of the pack.

I don't think Garcia is or can be an elite Quarterback but I agree with him being an upgrade over whoever else we have on the roster at this point.

Improving the offense to a more middle of the pack type rank isn't entirely out of the question, IMO.
I agree, he won't be an elite QB, but I can see him being a better QB in Gruden system then Brad Johnson was, And we won a SuperBowl with him

Very true. I think Garcia could be AT LEAST as good as Brad was when Brad was here, and yes, we did win a Super Bowl with Brad. If I'm not mistaken, didn't our offense in 2003 rank 10th overall with Brad too?
Yes. I believe thats the highest the bucs O has ranked ever. Please correct me if I'm wrong.


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« #13 : July 01, 2007, 08:46:39 PM »

UmGuy1999...

I know you want to bring up that thing about Garcia not perfoming well in CLE and DET....well I just dont think many QBs would perform well there...

Besides, he played great last year...and I mean Great.  You cant totally judge somebody off their past.  I mean Drew Brees was left for dead until he finally got things goin in San Diego.  However, many had him not amounting to anything.

Hasselbeck and Bulger became franchise Qbs of their teams that they weren't even drafted by and got for cheap, being 6th rounders....

Brad Johnson won a Super Bowl after being a journeyman.  Jake Delhomme finally caught on with Carolina and has had them competitive since 2003.

Garcia threw for over 30 touchdowns twice when he was with the 49ers.  He threw for 10 last year in 6 games(one in which he barely played-atl last game).  So he basically averaged 2 touchdowns a game.  I'll take that from a QB without factoring in our running game which will be much better, along with a defense that will be much better..

If we can get 14 points from our QB, without even factoring in our kicking game, defensive/special teams, and running game, I think you will see us making a run.

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« #14 : July 01, 2007, 08:54:47 PM »

You don't want my opinion. But feel free to read my sig.
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