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« : July 10, 2007, 10:53:17 AM »

Feds: Dog Fights Staged on Vick Property 
 
SURRY, Va. (AP) -- There is no longer any doubt about what federal authorities contend took place on the property owned by Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick that is at the center of a dogfighting investigation.

Investigators said almost nothing to reporters who gathered at the property while agents conducted a second search on Friday, but documents filed in Richmond and obtained by The Associated Press detailed aspects of the case for the first time. Vick is not named in the documents.

The property was used as the "main staging area for housing and training the pit bulls involved" in a dogfighting operation, according to the court papers.

The documents contend prize money from the dogfighting climbed into the thousands of dollars, people came from as far away as Texas and sheepish pit bulls were killed.

As federal agents used a backhoe to dig in an area about 10 feet wide by 20 feet long behind the massive two-story home, then left at about 4:30 p.m., the documents shed some light on their investigation.

They allege that dogfights have been sponsored by "Bad Newz Kennels" at the property since at least 2002. For the events, participants and dogs traveled from South Carolina, North Carolina, Maryland, New York, Texas and other states.

Fifty-four pit bulls were recovered from the property during searches in April, along with a "rape stand," used to hold dogs in place for mating; an electric treadmill modified for dogs; and a bloodied piece of carpeting, the documents said.

The documents said the fights usually occurred late at night or in the early morning and would last several hours.

Before fights, the participating dogs of the same sex would be weighed and bathed, according to the filings. Opposing dogs would be washed to remove any poison or narcotic placed on the dog's coat that could affect the other dog's performance.

Sometimes, dogs weren't fed to "make it more hungry for the other dog."  .............................................


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If your car is pulled over with someone else driving it you're still held responsible in the event a felony occurs. Vick's not going to get away with this and remember, there are no names on the report so the fact that Vick's name isn't mentioned means diddly. 


 

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« #1 : July 10, 2007, 11:11:04 AM »

In other news, the Feds have determined that the sky is blue.

All kidding aside, I hope they nail the Perp with the Herp...  Vick makes me sick.


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« #2 : July 10, 2007, 11:20:35 AM »

In other news, the Feds have determined that the sky is blue.

That's what I thought about the OJ case.   Yet he went free.   I don't think anything will happen to Vick either.

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« #3 : July 10, 2007, 11:43:41 AM »

OJ may be free but his public life ended as will vick's

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« #4 : July 10, 2007, 11:44:00 AM »

No doubt Java and Bradentonian but this is a bit different than the county DA stuff. This is the first confirmation that fighting took place, the next step is to charge those involved. The fact that it's been so quiet is really bad news for Vick, IMO. The feds won't play games through the media and will charge Vick, I'd bet a small fortune on it.

Again, if you own a property you are responsible for what happens at that property especially this type of felony. This whole thing was set up with Vick's money.

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« #5 : July 10, 2007, 11:58:07 AM »

At this time, it really doesn't matter if Vick is charged or not. Vick is already being tried in the court of public opinion and this is going to get much, much worse. Especially as more and more news is let out.

The public opinion on this is going to dog him and the Falcons unmercifully about this all year. I can already see Animal Rights protesters at every game, in the stands and hounding the team throughout the season. Those folks are going to make all the Falcon's players (and possibly families as well) lives misrable.

The best thing is that it's unlikely that anything is going to happen in the next 30-60 days so Vick will go into the season as the starting QB.

I can hear the boos now. Crash and burn baby, crash and burn!

Sucks to be a Falcon fan.

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« #6 : July 10, 2007, 11:59:13 AM »

Sucks to be a Falcon fan.

That's always been the case.

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« #7 : July 10, 2007, 01:21:00 PM »

Start thinking of your sign ideas now. If Vick plays, he's going to get the Barry Bonds treatment on the road.


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« #8 : July 10, 2007, 01:29:59 PM »

The feds will be looking into Vick's financial transactions, and if there is so much of a hint of money changing hands between Vick and Bad News Kennels, he will be up the creek without a paddle



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« #9 : July 10, 2007, 01:34:47 PM »

No doubt Java and Bradentonian but this is a bit different than the county DA stuff. This is the first confirmation that fighting took place, the next step is to charge those involved. The fact that it's been so quiet is really bad news for Vick, IMO. The feds won't play games through the media and will charge Vick, I'd bet a small fortune on it.

Again, if you own a property you are responsible for what happens at that property especially this type of felony. This whole thing was set up with Vick's money.

I agree completely... and once they can place him at the property, his azz is toast.

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« #10 : July 10, 2007, 01:50:25 PM »

Sucks to be a Falcon fan.

That's always been the case.
It will ALWAYS be the case.


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« #11 : July 10, 2007, 02:13:05 PM »

Some details from PFT:

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SELECTED PASSAGES FROM THE VICK COMPLAINT

A copy of the federal complaint regarding the dog-fighting investigation at the Surry County, Virginia property owned by Falcons quarterback Mike Vick has been available for a few days, yet we haven't seen anyone weave many of the key passages from it into media reports regarding the issue.

We mention this because we received an e-mail from a member of the national media this morning who described some of the details as "frightening."

So here are some selected quotes from the document, which was filed by the feds in an effort to secure possession of the 54 dogs seized from the Vick property in April 2007.

Paragraph 9 of the document confirms that "[m]any of the [54] pit bulldogs recovered or observed in the search had scars and injuries consistent with injuries sustained in dog fighting."  (Previously, there was a dispute -- fueled in part by Surry County prosecutor Gerald Poindexter -- regarding whether the dogs taken from the land were scarred or injured.)

Paragraph 10 lists the additional items recovered and observed in the initial search in April:  "a blood-stained fighting area; animal training and breeding equipment, including a 'rape stand,' a 'break' or 'parting' stick, treadmills and 'slat mills;' assorted paperwork documenting involvement in animal fighting ventures; and performance enhancing pharmaceuticals commonly used to increase fighting potential in dogs trained for fighting, as well as to keep injured dogs fighting longer."  We highlighted the reference to paperwork documenting involvement in animal fighting ventures because we hadn't previously seen this aspect of the seized property reported anywhere.

Paragraph 11 says that members and associates of "Bad Newz Kennels," which was operated out of the Vick property, sponsored and exhibited pit bull fights at the Vick property and in Blackstone, Virginia, in North Carolina, South Carolina, Maryland, New Jersey, and in other states. 

Paragraph 12 says that dog fights have been sponsored on Vick's property since 2002, with dogs from South Carolina, North Carolina, Maryland, New York, Texas, and other states engaged in the "competition." 

Paragraph 13 contains some of the details regarding the pre-fight preparations.  "The two dogs participating in a particular fight had to be the same weight and sex.  Before a fight would start, the participants would weigh and bathe the dogs.  The fighting weight would be established before the fight, requiring the opponent dogs to measure within approximately one-half pound of the set weight. . . . The opposing dogs were washed before a fight to remove any poison or narcotic placed on the dog's coat -- if the opposing dog would bite the 'tainted' dog that was coated with poison or narcotic, this would affect the opposing dog's performance during the fight.  The participants would sometimes stop feeding the fighting dog before the scheduled fights, in order to make it hungry for the other dog."

Paragraph 14 explains that the fights at the Vick property "generally occurred late at night or early in the morning, sometimes involving 2-3 separate matches, and would last several hours."  The persons in attendance were "[g]enerally" limited to persons accompanying Bad Newz Kennels members and persons accompanying the members of opposing kennels.  "For a particular dog fight, the opponents would establish a purse for the winning side, ranging from 100's up to 1,000's of dollars.  Participants and spectators would also place side-bets on the fight, dependant on the ultimate outcome or certain events occurring during the course of the dog fight."

Paragraph 14 also contains some grisly details regarding the aftermath of the eventws.  "The dog fight would last to the end, which would generally involve the death or surrender of the losing dog.  At the end of the fight, the losing dog was sometimes put to death by drowning, strangulation, hanging, gun shot, electrocution, or some other method.  The members of 'Bad Newz Kennels' would sometimes 'test' the pit bulls in their inventory, determining if a particular dog was 'game,' meaning that it would be a good fighter.  Sometimes, the dogs deemed not to be good fighters would be put to death."

Though the media was quick to point out that Mike Vick's name appears nowhere in the complaint, no names are mentioned.  Instead, the complaint refers in several places to the "members of 'Bad Newz Kennels,'" without identifying any of said members.

But we saw at least one hint in the complaint that suggests to us a belief by the feds that Vick is one of the members of Bad Newz Kennels.  In paragraph 13, the complaint refers to the charging of admission fees for persons attending the fights.  "If an admission fee was charged for a particular event," the complaint states, "the proceeds were generally used to supplement the funding of the 'Bad Newz Kennels' kennel operation."

The key word in that passage is "supplement."  As we've previously noted, someone had to be paying for the care and feeding of 50-plus dogs.  If, as has been reported elsewhere, none of the persons living in Vick's house were employed, where was the primary funding of the operation coming from?


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« #12 : July 10, 2007, 02:22:00 PM »

I read that on PFT today, pretty interesting.

What most have not addressed is how much Mort from ESPN licks the balls of McKay. Mort came through with a report that Vick would unlikely be chraged because he name isn't on the report. Of course his name isn't on the report because there aren't ANY names on the report you freak'n jack, what a tool.

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« #13 : July 10, 2007, 03:52:32 PM »

Mort's home base is in Atlanta. McKay is the GM of the Atlanta Falcons. McKay "leaks" a lot of info to the media as the Tampa guys have said. So Mort's not biting the hand that feeds him. That's when objectivity and credibility come into question, though.


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« #14 : July 10, 2007, 03:55:47 PM »

That's when objectivity and credibility come into question, though.


exactly, especially when that report is posted on the front page of ESPN.
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