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: July 15, 2007, 10:21:25 AM

Certainly last year USF could make a credible argument that it was the 2nd best school in the state of Florida based on performance and key wins against some highly rated teams and of course the surprising  drop off by both UM and FSU.

With  Big east darlings West Virginia and  Louisville along with North Carolina and Cincinnati at home, how many need to be wins for USF to gain legitimate status as a true member joining FSU UF and UM in elite status?

How many of the following road games must be won?  They have big games road games at  Auburn, Rutgers, Pitt and Syracuse .


JMO but I think they need to win at least 3 of between Cinn, UNC WV and Louisville and at least 3 between Auburn, Rutgers , Pitt, U Conn,and Syracuse.

If only 3  of those away games are won, they must sweep UCF, ELON, and the away game at Florida Atlantic.

That would leave them with an 9-3  record and IMO would give them IMO the recognition legitimizing the program both nationally and in the state of Florida.   Most certainly if the other Big 3 have similar records that would do it IMO.

Would that be enough?


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#1 : July 15, 2007, 04:05:23 PM

You've kind of got two different scenarios going. In response to your thread title, USF has already legitimized itself as the 4th best program in the state, IMO ..... but there is still a huge gap between them and the Big 3. That gap wonlt be closed for years unless USF goes on some miraculous undefeated run over the next couple of seasons. To join the other 3 you've got to play them and beat them, or, since a couple of the Big 3 aren't being real accomodating in that regard, you've got to play and beat similar big time type football programs more than a few times. USF has a nice start but is still a long ways off before legitimately being considered in the same light as UF, UM and FSU

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#2 : July 15, 2007, 07:26:07 PM

You've kind of got two different scenarios going. In response to your thread title, USF has already legitimized itself as the 4th best program in the state, IMO ..... but there is still a huge gap between them and the Big 3. That gap wonlt be closed for years unless USF goes on some miraculous undefeated run over the next couple of seasons. To join the other 3 you've got to play them and beat them, or, since a couple of the Big 3 aren't being real accomodating in that regard, you've got to play and beat similar big time type football programs more than a few times. USF has a nice start but is still a long ways off before legitimately being considered in the same light as UF, UM and FSU

Certainly tend to agree with your points.  As to the Big 3 accommodating one look at USF's stance on UCF series makes such comments ring a bit hollow. IMO

I would think winning the Big East would be the next big step followed by a BCS bowl victory.

I certainly believe that USF must continue to pay its dues against the Auburns and Oklahoma's on the road and must beat them in their own house to get that status they are after.  A win against Miami at Miami and a win against UF would certainly do the trick.  It was a real coup when USF inked the home and home series with UM.
I would imagine in the not too distant future they will get a game against FSU as well.

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#3 : July 15, 2007, 10:13:23 PM

They're clearly at number 4 already.  A ways to go to catch the big 3, but already passed UCF.

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#4 : July 16, 2007, 10:40:54 AM

Certainly tend to agree with your points.  As to the Big 3 accommodating one look at USF's stance on UCF series makes such comments ring a bit hollow. IMO

I guess it does depend on your perspective and what one considers best for their own program.


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I would think winning the Big East would be the next big step followed by a BCS bowl victory.

A quality OOC regular season win falls in there, too...


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I would imagine in the not too distant future they will get a game against FSU as well.

Rumor has it that Hart was a big stumbling block in that. Maybe the door will be opened soon. It will be interesting to see what kind of set up is offered when/if the time comes

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#5 : July 16, 2007, 01:08:38 PM

Certainly tend to agree with your points.  As to the Big 3 accommodating one look at USF's stance on UCF series makes such comments ring a bit hollow. IMO

I guess it does depend on your perspective and what one considers best for their own program.

Should UF , UM, and FSU consider playing USF best for their programs using your  perspective?

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#6 : July 16, 2007, 02:01:01 PM

Certainly tend to agree with your points.  As to the Big 3 accommodating one look at USF's stance on UCF series makes such comments ring a bit hollow. IMO

I guess it does depend on your perspective and what one considers best for their own program.

Should UF , UM, and FSU consider playing USF best for their programs using your  perspective?

No way ...... i just said they hadn't been accomodating, not that they SHOULD play us.   ;)

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#7 : July 16, 2007, 04:49:49 PM

I don't think they have to play the Big 3 to be legitimate.  Winning the Big East.  Being in the National Spotlight for a few years, etc.  will help make them legitimate.  They have a nice series with Miami coming up and that will help as well.

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#8 : July 17, 2007, 02:50:26 AM

USF may end up with a better record than FSU and Miami again this year.I doubt Miami or FSU are going to be able to put together a offense this year that will enable them to win the ACC or get to a Bowl game. I see both teams as 4 or 5 loss teams again.


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#9 : July 17, 2007, 11:50:31 AM

It's just hot to mention them when you talk about football.  I've been threatening for years to go to a game...I'm doing it for sure this year...

Without Carl Nix it feels like our running game just took a death blow to the face!


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#10 : July 17, 2007, 12:15:49 PM

It's just hot to mention them when you talk about football.  I've been threatening for years to go to a game...I'm doing it for sure this year...

Just one??

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#11 : July 17, 2007, 12:30:08 PM

It's just hot to mention them when you talk about football.  I've been threatening for years to go to a game...I'm doing it for sure this year...

They don't have the College atmosphere down yet,but they are getting there.Check out some games Chev


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#12 : July 17, 2007, 10:49:45 PM

I have been to a few USF games and they are getting better.  Still a bit too much like high school though as I witnessed too many students spending more time talking to each other over cell phones than actually watching the game.  Of course that may be endemic at most colleges with students today.  It just seemed that much of the student body was there to be seen rather than actually watching the game.

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#13 : July 19, 2007, 10:22:47 AM

 If USF can beat Auburn in week 2 I think that will set the tone for the rest of the season. It really depends on the play of Matt Grothe too.

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#14 : July 19, 2007, 02:06:50 PM

Definitely not the big time college atmosphere yet, but the team is close to being a "legitimate" 4th.  I'm not sure the atmosphere will get there completely as long as they play at RayJay.  It's goign to be real tough to win at Auburn, but a good showing will still put them on the right path.  More important to win the conference which apparently the national rags don't think they will do (heard they are predicted to finish 4th by a couple).
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