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: August 15, 2007, 01:18:50 PM

Here is my list for the best team in the NFL, it broke my heart but I just couldn't put the Bucs higher than 24

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#1 : August 15, 2007, 01:28:42 PM

sorry dude...but the Bucs are definetly better then the Cardinals and Lions.

I dont blame you for listing them in the 20s due to their poorous season last year, but you will see the Bucs back in the playoffs this year.  Rankings don't mean much, but I'd have them at around 18 or so....just with our additions to the team alone. 

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#2 : August 15, 2007, 01:30:34 PM

Bro but we really don't have any good wideouts behind Galloway and I'm afraid Cadillac won't stay healthy.
I think the key is going to be our o-line. If we don't have a good o-line after all the resources we have put towards that I might die.

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#3 : August 15, 2007, 01:31:18 PM

I'm a pessimistic fan, but I like to expect the worst case scenario so I don't get let down.

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#4 : August 15, 2007, 01:58:15 PM

How worthless are preseason rankings?

Let's review the "experts" view of preseason 2006

ESPN Preseason 2006 Rankings

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2006 Power Rankings: Offseason
  RK (LW) TEAM REC COMMENT
 1 (2) Seahawks 13-3-0 Super Bowl losers have struggled in recent years, but the Hawks appear equipped for another run. 
 2 (6) Steelers 11-5-0 Obviously the injuries to Ben Roethlisberger weren't as serious as they could have been. But as much work as it sounded like he needed on his face, it's not going to be an easy road back.
 3 (1) Colts 14-2-0 With the versatile Edgerrin James now in the desert, Dominic Rhodes and Joseph Addai have big shoes to fill. 
 4 (3) Broncos 13-3-0 Between Jay Cutler and Javon Walker, they've brought in their QB-WR tandem of the future.
 5 (9) Panthers 11-5-0 There's some question about how Keyshawn Johnson and Steve Smith will get along. As much as both guys want the ball, they also want to win and the Panthers should do enough of that in '06 to keep both WRs happy.
 6 (4) Patriots 10-6-0 Yes, the Pats lost some key players this offseason. But are you really ready to hand the AFC East to someone else with Brady and Belichick still at the wheel?
 7 (16) Cowboys 9-7-0 Dallas' offseason was all about T.O. If Owens is the player he was in his first season in Philly (77 receptions for 1,200 yards and 14 TDs), Dallas could be very good.
 8 (14) Dolphins 9-7-0 If Daunte Culpepper is as healthy as it sounds, the Dolphins got a steal in getting him for a second-round pick.
 9 (8.) Bengals 11-5-0 Tough offseason for the Bengals with all the off-the-field issues. On the field it's pretty simple -- Cincinnati's season rests on the health of Carson Palmer's left knee.
 10 (12) Redskins 10-6-0 Will this offseason's free-agent spending spree be the one that finally pays off for the Redskins?
 11 (10) Giants 11-5-0 A WR (Plaxico Burress) and his QB (Eli Manning) don't have to get along. That said, it'll be interesting to see how Burress responds the first few times he's open and Manning misses him.
 12 (11) Jaguars 12-4-0 A little more production from the passing game and they could become serious contenders in the AFC. 
 13 (5) Bears 11-5-0 The Bears gave up only 12.6 points per game last season and the defense might have to be just as good this year if they want to go back to the playoffs.
 14 (13) Chiefs 10-6-0 Larry Johnson is the real deal, but we're curious as to how that aging O-line will hold up.
 15 (7) Buccaneers 11-5-0 Chris Simms was solid last year, but the Bucs will need a few more big plays from the passing attack in 2006.
 16 (20) Ravens 6-10-0 If he can stay healthy Steve McNair will make the Ravens a better team. But that's a pretty big if.
 17 (15) Chargers 9-7-0 A huge part of their success depends on how the offense flows through Philip Rivers. 
 18 (21) Eagles 6-10-0 With a healthy Donovan McNabb the Eagles should be right back in the mix in 2006. That said, it's hard to see them being as good as they were in 2004 without T.O. 
 19 (17) Vikings 9-7-0 Steve Hutchinson will obviously help the Vikings. But man, that was a lot of money (7 years and $49 million) to pay for an offensive guard.
 20 (18) Falcons 8-8-0 We can't imagine that Michael Vick would be benched, but there will be calls for Matt Schaub if Vick continues to struggle. 
 21 (24) Cardinals 5-11-0 They had arguably the best offseason. Whether that translates to wins remains to be seen. 
 22 (22) Rams 6-10-0 Offensive guru Scott Linehan has even more talent to work with than he did in Minnesota and Miami. 
 23 (19) Browns 6-10-0 The Browns made some solid moves this offseason. Willie McGinest can still play and he's going to be huge in the locker room.
 24 (26) Lions 5-11-0 One thing we're pretty sure you won't see Rod Marinelli doing this summer is riding a motorcycle onto the field at training camp.
 25 (28) Raiders 4-12-0 Art Shell is clearly a natural fit, but he might have a harder time molding this clay into a winner. 
 26 (29) Packers 4-12-0 Having Brett Favre return is huge, but inking Ahman Green and Charles Woodson was just as significant.
 27 (31) Saints 3-13-0 Sean Payton has made it pretty clear that he's going to get rid of guys who aren't buying into what he wants to do.
 28 (23) Bills 5-11-0 Craig Nall, J.P. Losman or Kelly Holcomb? Well, they're going to have to pick one of them, right?
 29 (25) Titans 4-12-0 Starting at quarterback, Billy Volek! Uh, let's see how long that lasts.
 30 (32) Texans 2-14-0 OK, the NFL draft was almost two months ago, but we're still trying to grasp Mario Williams over Reggie Bush.
 31 (27) Jets 4-12-0 Their biggest issue midway through last year remains a mystery heading into this season ? who?s going to start at quarterback? That?s definitely not an encouraging sign.
 32 (30) 49ers 4-12-0 So Norv Turner is supposed to come in and rescue the offense? Good luck!



They (highly paid ''experts'') ranked NFC runner up NO at 27, AFC wildcard NYJ #31 Dolphins #8 and Skins #10 and SD in the bottom half.

moral of this post "That's why they play the games''


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#5 : August 15, 2007, 02:21:56 PM

I'm a pessimistic fan, but I like to expect the worst case scenario so I don't get let down.

What a great attitude.  Do you set goals in your life?  Or would not meeting them be a huge downer?


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#6 : August 15, 2007, 02:28:08 PM

Bucs are going to have a hard time defending the run with the addition of two undersized starters in defensive end Gaines Adams and linebacker Cato June (although they will excel in pass coverage).

Undersized?  Gotta be the weakest football argument around.  Being "undersized" worked out pretty well for Derrick Brooks.  Cato will be fine - and if you've been under a rock this summer - read up... Cato has done nothing but impress in TC.  As for Gaines Adams?

Dwight Freeney is 6-1, 268 lbs and is arguably the league's best DE.  Size is the least of Gaines' worries.


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#7 : August 15, 2007, 02:32:30 PM

Bucs are going to have a hard time defending the run with the addition of two undersized starters in defensive end Gaines Adams and linebacker Cato June (although they will excel in pass coverage).

Undersized?  Gotta be the weakest football argument around.  Being "undersized" worked out pretty well for Derrick Brooks.  Cato will be fine - and if you've been under a rock this summer - read up... Cato has done nothing but impress in TC.  As for Gaines Adams?

Dwight Freeney is 6-1, 268 lbs and is arguably the league's best DE.  Size is the least of Gaines' worries.
Yah Snook, you tell him. Ask Derrick Brooks about being undersized.

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#8 : August 15, 2007, 04:28:07 PM

The Bucs have always been an undersized defense compared to the league average by team.

I know a lot of people believe you need a big defense for the unit to be successful. Many football coaches believe this as well. But I'll tell you I've seen big Ds get torched by inferior Os. There is more to the game than just size.

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#9 : August 15, 2007, 04:45:10 PM

these rankings suck. we have maybe the deepest WR corp we've had in 5 years, our D-line rotation and overall depth are much improved over last year. the secondary will be much better, expecially with safety competition, and kelly back. the o-line looks very very solid, and is mostly proven outside of Sears, who looks solid so far. i see playoffs in our future, 9-7 possbily.


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#10 : August 15, 2007, 05:04:20 PM

Last season around this time we had a deep WR core, a second string 6th round wonder boy, and a starting QB that was playing great, and upgraded O-line and a DE that was top 5 in sacks the year before, and a pair of Safties that were going to set the world on fire, and a second year HB that had his shoes in the Hall of Fame the year before, and the number 1 defense.
This year we have a 37 year old QB who has not played 16 games in a few years, and a 6-0 limp armed QB, and a Qb that looked good againt a mixture of second, third and forth team, with 4 NFL starts <deja-vu>.  A D-line that couldn't pressure Jesuit High Schools QB.
8-8 will shock me.

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#11 : August 15, 2007, 05:28:05 PM

Of course last year we lost our starting QB so we had to play the 6th round "wonder boy", lost our starting DE and CB not to mention nicks to our starting RB, startin MLB and played one of the toughest shedules in the league.  Why don't we let it play out.  Oh and that 37 year old QB is an upgrade over that guy we started at the beginning of last year.

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#12 : August 15, 2007, 08:57:57 PM

I think we have a better team than last year. I think on defense and offense we will be better. Its just like any other team can we stay healthy.

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#13 : August 15, 2007, 09:19:31 PM

Bucs are going to have a hard time defending the run with the addition of two undersized starters in defensive end Gaines Adams and linebacker Cato June (although they will excel in pass coverage).

Undersized?  Gotta be the weakest football argument around.  Being "undersized" worked out pretty well for Derrick Brooks.  Cato will be fine - and if you've been under a rock this summer - read up... Cato has done nothing but impress in TC.  As for Gaines Adams?

Dwight Freeney is 6-1, 268 lbs and is arguably the league's best DE.  Size is the least of Gaines' worries.

Agreed. Plus Gaines is 6-5. The prototypical size for DEs. His run stopping will come down to motor and will but [hysically he is considered the right size.



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#14 : August 15, 2007, 10:37:46 PM

these rankings suck. we have maybe the deepest WR corp we've had in 5 years,

Deep? where? We have Galloway, a bust in Clayton, Boston who hasn't played a meaningful game in years, 6 yd Hilliard, and an unproven but hopefully on the rise Stovall.

I see nothing overly impressive about that group and we're still an injury to Galloway away from disaster.
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