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#15 : August 15, 2007, 06:06:28 PM

He isn't talking about individual games.  We had bad starts and injuries with Dungy and he still managed to get us in or close to the playoffs.  Dungy just couldn't get us over the hump, and Gruden was the perfect fit in 2002.


Thus, if we come out of the gates 1-4, this season will be shot, done, over!!!

With our schedule this year, it's a very real concern




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#16 : August 15, 2007, 06:08:50 PM

The 2005 offense was not altogether bad.

Simms completed 61% and Griese over 64%
Caddy had well over 100 yards
Galloway has nearly 1300 yds and 10 TD catches

A softer schedule sure helped out in 2005, whereas a brutal schedule and injuries were the perfect recipe for the 2006 disaster.

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#17 : August 15, 2007, 06:18:40 PM

The 2005 offense was not altogether bad.

Simms completed 61% and Griese over 64%
Caddy had well over 100 yards
Galloway has nearly 1300 yds and 10 TD catches

A softer schedule sure helped out in 2005, whereas a brutal schedule and injuries were the perfect recipe for the 2006 disaster.


I think our 2005 offseason strategy backfired as well.  We didn't really try to improve the team in the offseason, while all the teams around us were getting better.  The offseason mantra was stability, returning 21 of 22 starters, #1 defense, etc., and in the end we didn't do enough to field a competitive team.



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#18 : August 15, 2007, 06:20:20 PM

The 2005 offense was not altogether bad.

Simms completed 61% and Griese over 64%
Caddy had well over 100 yards
Galloway has nearly 1300 yds and 10 TD catches

A softer schedule sure helped out in 2005, whereas a brutal schedule and injuries were the perfect recipe for the 2006 disaster.


True.  The two biggest issues last year were schedule and QB.  Injuries to BK and SIm close behind.

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#19 : August 15, 2007, 06:25:25 PM

Its not his fault the ownership lets him have so much influance on personel, in his mind he is always right, every HC  thinks his was in the best way. I don't think its the coaches job to "build" a team with total autonomy, I think at most it should be 30% HC 20% OC, DC, Scouts and other coaches and 50% GM when it comes to personel. I think the problem is Gruden calls all the shots, and Allen just  crunches the numbers and gets to play around with utility players and such. If I am wrong on that then I guess its just Grudens fault. Who knows.
Well said.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#20 : August 15, 2007, 06:28:49 PM

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I think our 2005 offseason strategy backfired as well.  We didn't really try to improve the team in the offseason, while all the teams around us were getting better.  The offseason mantra was stability, returning 21 of 22 starters, #1 defense, etc., and in the end we didn't do enough to field a competitive team.

I believe you mean the 2006 off season. ;)

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#21 : August 15, 2007, 06:34:26 PM

It obviously depends on the level of adversity. If the Colts lose their top 2 qb's for example their season is
shot..I don't care how much Tony deals with adversity.

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#22 : August 15, 2007, 06:35:34 PM

It obviously depends on the level of adversity. If the Colts lose their top 2 qb's for example their season is
shot..I don't care how much Tony deals with adversity.
Dungy's best season in Tampa was when Dilfer went down and King took over.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#23 : August 15, 2007, 06:38:12 PM

I do not think the Colts 2007 defense has the ability to play anything like the Bucs 99 D. :o

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#24 : August 15, 2007, 06:55:06 PM

Olafbersker

That sumps it up in a nutshell.

Dungy brought a level of moderate consistency.  In stark contrast Gruden has brought about extreme highs and lows.



this is exactly right.  now what are we more happy with as fans?

\"Lets put the O back in Country\"



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#25 : August 15, 2007, 07:04:29 PM

How did everyone feel on January 26, 2003.  In contrast, how did you feel on the following dates:

January 12, 2001?
December 31, 2000?
January 23, 2000?

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#26 : August 15, 2007, 07:14:30 PM

Gruden was the right coach at the right time. The performance of the team this season will determine whether or not he's still the right guy and whether or not he'll be able to continue to be the guy here in 2008.

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#27 : August 15, 2007, 07:23:45 PM

Gruden was the right coach at the right time. The performance of the team this season will determine whether or not he's still the right guy and whether or not he'll be able to continue to be the guy here in 2008.
Even if he gets the axe here, he won't be on the market long. I bet teams like the Giants or the Jaguars might come calling.

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#28 : August 15, 2007, 07:25:05 PM

Gruden was the right coach at the right time. The performance of the team this season will determine whether or not he's still the right guy and whether or not he'll be able to continue to be the guy here in 2008.

Shockingly, I agree with this statement. 

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#29 : August 15, 2007, 07:26:47 PM

I am listening to WDAE and SR is talking about the upcoming season. He made a comment about Gruden that I found interesting. He says when the Buccs are healthy they do well BUT Gruden doesn't seem to be capable of turning things around when things start to go wrong, i.e injuries. He also went on to say Dungy was pretty good at dealing with adversity.

In my book a manager that can't handle changing circumstances is not a very good manager.....and that goes for any industry.

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** Disclaimer - the above thoughts are SR's not mine.

In '05 the starting QB went down for the season, and a kid with only 1 start under his belt was the replacement. Also, the rookie sensation RB was hurt for several games. The team finished 7-4 and won the division.  i'd say that's handling adversity pretty well.

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