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: August 20, 2007, 01:17:39 PM

POSTED 1:10 p.m. EDT, August 20, 2007

VICK PLEA DEAL WON'T BE ACCEPTED UNTIL AUGUST 27, AT THE EARLIEST

WSB-TV in Atlanta reports that a hearing before Judge Henry Hudson on any plea deal involving Falcons quarterback Mike Vick would not occur before Monday, August 27.

The reason for this delay is that, before a hearing can be scheduled, there has to be a deal.  As of yet, there is no deal.

Though the delay isn't significant, the real news here is that, if there's a deal, the judge presiding over the case hasn't been told about it.  And that suggests that there is no deal.

It makes us wonder whether there even will be.  At some point, prosecutors will pull the offer off of the table and proceed.

Of course, it's possible that the offer has been yanked, but that the Vick camp has yet to leak this fact to the media.  Don't count on the prosecutors saying anything more about this until the new indictment, with new charges, is announced.


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#1 : August 20, 2007, 01:20:11 PM

Hopefully they will add new charges soon, and Vick will have missed his shot at a short jail term.


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#2 : August 20, 2007, 01:21:09 PM

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Of course, it's possible that the offer has been yanked, but that the Vick camp has yet to leak this fact to the media.  Don't count on the prosecutors saying anything more about this until the new indictment, with new charges, is announced.

:o

Did not see that possibility coming.

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#3 : August 20, 2007, 01:23:24 PM

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Of course, it's possible that the offer has been yanked, but that the Vick camp has yet to leak this fact to the media.  Don't count on the prosecutors saying anything more about this until the new indictment, with new charges, is announced.

:o

Did not see that possibility coming.


The judge was rumored to be annoyed by the delay from the Vick camp last week.  Maybe there is pressure from above and they want to hit him with the RICO charges.


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#4 : August 20, 2007, 01:29:31 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/20/vick/index.html

"(CNN) -- Federal prosecutors have offered a plea deal recommending an 18- to 36-month prison sentence for suspended NFL quarterback Michael Vick for his alleged role in a dogfighting operation, but Vick's attorneys are trying to reduce that to less than a year, two sources told CNN on Monday.

Vick's attorneys hope to hear back from National Football League Commissioner Roger Goodell's office sometime Monday about Vick's career options before entering into any deal with federal prosecutors, the sources said.

Vick's three codefendants in the dogfighting case have accepted agreements to plead guilty in exchange for reduced sentences.

If Vick doesn't accept a deal, he could face additional charges in the case on Monday, when a grand jury convenes in Richmond, Virginia.  

The NFL is considering what, if any, sanctions they should impose on the 27-year-old suspended Atlanta Falcons player."





It's pretty sad that Vick's lawyers are more concerned with what sanctions Roger Goodell and the NFL might impose on Vick rather than worry about the federal government.
Worry about the pending trial or the best plea deal, rather than put it on hold waiting for Goodell to get back to you.  They wait too long, and the prosecution will probably just pull the offer.  

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#5 : August 20, 2007, 01:34:26 PM

The lawyers can only do what they can do. They probably advised Vick to take the deal. He is the one who I think is holding the entire process up. They can't agree to a deal unless he does and quite frankly, I think he is dillusional.

Mike Vick has excellent lawyers. They probably told him to take the deal.

At any rate, if I were the prosecution I would be offering this deal: 2 years in prison and out no earlier. That is a lot better than the 5 years he is currently facing, and better than whatever he could be facing after that with these additional charges.

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#6 : August 20, 2007, 01:34:46 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/20/vick/index.html

"(CNN) -- Federal prosecutors have offered a plea deal recommending an 18- to 36-month prison sentence for suspended NFL quarterback Michael Vick for his alleged role in a dogfighting operation, but Vick's attorneys are trying to reduce that to less than a year, two sources told CNN on Monday.

Vick's attorneys hope to hear back from National Football League Commissioner Roger Goodell's office sometime Monday about Vick's career options before entering into any deal with federal prosecutors, the sources said.

Vick's three codefendants in the dogfighting case have accepted agreements to plead guilty in exchange for reduced sentences.

If Vick doesn't accept a deal, he could face additional charges in the case on Monday, when a grand jury convenes in Richmond, Virginia. 

The NFL is considering what, if any, sanctions they should impose on the 27-year-old suspended Atlanta Falcons player."





It's pretty sad that Vick's lawyers are more concerned with what sanctions Roger Goodell and the NFL might impose on Vick rather than worry about the federal government.
Worry about the pending trial or the best plea deal, rather than put it on hold waiting for Goodell to get back to you.  They wait too long, and the prosecution will probably just pull the offer. 


The NFL will ban him for at least 16 games once he has served his Parisian sentence.  Goodell keeps mentioning the gambling side of the charges, and that is very serious in the NFL


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#7 : August 20, 2007, 01:38:49 PM

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and they want to hit him with the RICO charges

They are not joking around if that is true.  I do not have a very good understanding of the law but how would the RICO charges apply in Vick's case? ???


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#8 : August 20, 2007, 01:40:51 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/20/vick/index.html

"(CNN) -- Federal prosecutors have offered a plea deal recommending an 18- to 36-month prison sentence for suspended NFL quarterback Michael Vick for his alleged role in a dogfighting operation, but Vick's attorneys are trying to reduce that to less than a year, two sources told CNN on Monday.

Vick's attorneys hope to hear back from National Football League Commissioner Roger Goodell's office sometime Monday about Vick's career options before entering into any deal with federal prosecutors, the sources said.

Vick's three codefendants in the dogfighting case have accepted agreements to plead guilty in exchange for reduced sentences.

If Vick doesn't accept a deal, he could face additional charges in the case on Monday, when a grand jury convenes in Richmond, Virginia.  

The NFL is considering what, if any, sanctions they should impose on the 27-year-old suspended Atlanta Falcons player."





It's pretty sad that Vick's lawyers are more concerned with what sanctions Roger Goodell and the NFL might impose on Vick rather than worry about the federal government.
Worry about the pending trial or the best plea deal, rather than put it on hold waiting for Goodell to get back to you.  They wait too long, and the prosecution will probably just pull the offer.  


The NFL will ban him for at least 16 games once he has served his Parisian sentence.  Goodell keeps mentioning the gambling side of the charges, and that is very serious in the NFL



What I love, is Goodell has already told Vick's lawyers that he won't make a decision until after everything is done.  He told them to make your plea, or go to trial, and then the NFL will assess afterwards.  Yet, they keep pushing for info, and putting the plea on hold.  Smart move, piss off the feds by basically telling them the NFL is more important.  

Peter King last night during halftime of the Giants/Ravens game said don't expect Vick to make an NFL appearance again until 2010 at the earliest.  He agreed that the NFL, whatever the suspension is, won't be served until after Vick gets out of jail.  Plus, Vick still would have to go through the reinstatement process which Goodell has already proven isn't an easy thing.






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#9 : August 20, 2007, 01:42:50 PM

Vick also got a traffic ticket on Thursday for the tint on his windows were too dark, and he was also not wearing a seat belt.

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#10 : August 20, 2007, 01:42:59 PM

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and they want to hit him with the RICO charges

They are not joking around if that is true. I do not have a very good understanding of the law but how would the RICO charges apply in Vick's case? ???

I think they need to prove two cases of organised crime occured in a ten year period:

Pattern of racketeering activity requires at least two acts of racketeering activity, one of which occurred after the effective date of this chapter and the last of which occurred within ten years

In Vick's case they just have to prove two seperate incidents of gambling:

Under the law, racketeering activity means:

Any violation of state statutes against gambling, murder, kidnapping, arson, robbery, bribery, extortion, dealing in obscene matter, or dealing in a controlled substance or listed chemical (as defined in the Controlled Substances Act).



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act

To make it stick in court the Feds have to prove both incidents/cases.






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#11 : August 20, 2007, 01:43:36 PM

They are not joking around if that is true.  I do not have a very good understanding of the law but how would the RICO charges apply in Vick's case?

An on-going, interstate gambling conspiracy. RICO charges add 10 years of prison time, per count.

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#12 : August 20, 2007, 01:47:21 PM

They are not joking around if that is true. I do not have a very good understanding of the law but how would the RICO charges apply in Vick's case?

An on-going, interstate gambling conspiracy. RICO charges add 10 years of prison time, per count.

Could get real ugly, real quick.....WOW.
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