Why the Polls stink

[BornaBuc47]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex

Here's what I see as wrong with these polls. I'll start from the top...

Cal in front of Ohio State. Ohio State played in the national championship last season and hasn't lost.

Boston College hasn't played anybody and they're ranked above USF? USF killed WV and Auburn. Bull!!!

Oklahoma ahead of South Carolina? OK Lost to Colorado, barely beat Texas. SC lost to LSU. ? why ?

Oklahoma tied with USF? OK has a loss to Colorado. This is bull.

Look at USC's victory's. They aren't that good. Ranked far too high after losing to Stanford...

There are so many things in between but what actually bugged me enough to start this thread is that in the A.P. Poll 4-2 Georgia is ranked ahead of 3-2 Tennessee who just crushed them on Saturday. So where is Tennessee on the USA Today Poll-Received 60 votes. Great

Please, anybody associated with college football, for the love of the game, please find a better way.

[BuckEmUp]

The polls are no good untill week 9 or ten.  There are a lot of games to be played and all a team has to do is win right now.  USF's win vs. Auburn wasn't looking so good before but now that Auburn has righted the ship it looks a little better.  USF, may loose a game (probably will no matter how big of a fan you or I are you have to admit it) and then they will drop because the Big East isn't looked at the same way as the others.  A lot of it is the name of your program at this point that is why you always see the same teams starting in the top 25.

[Runole]

I totally agree the Polls stink and are a most suspect measure since they truly change every week based totally on that particular weeks perception.  Why should anyone believe they are any more accurate on the last week of the regular season?  It is just a perpetual opinion run like a beauty contest filled with prejudiced and biased judges.


Now I will cast my opinions on your opinions... I can see a few that I disagree with your premises.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex

Here's what I see as wrong with these polls. I'll start from the top...

Cal in front of Ohio State. Ohio State played in the national championship last season and hasn't lost.


Last season really has no relevance to this season.

Boston College hasn't played anybody and they're ranked above USF? USF killed WV and Auburn. Bull!!!


They are undefeated. Who says they haven't played anybody?  Again that is just your opinion not that you are wrong or right but that there is little logic with such a statement.

Oklahoma ahead of South Carolina? OK Lost to Colorado, barely beat Texas. SC lost to LSU. ? why ?



Why not? Why should Colorado and Texas be considered less worthy than any other team. South Carolina was beaten badly by an LSU team that barely beat Florida. Based on performance I would say LSU looked far worse against UF than Auburn who already has 2 losses!

Oklahoma tied with USF? OK has a loss to Colorado. This is bull.


This one I agree with. There is no way Oklahoma should be ranked ahead of undefeated  USF .

Look at USC's victory's. They aren't that good. Ranked far too high after losing to Stanford...

You may be right. However, USC on paper is advertised as the best team in CFB.  Upsets happen. You obviously have a strong southern Bias in CFB.

There are so many things in between but what actually bugged me enough to start this thread is that in the A.P. Poll 4-2 Georgia is ranked ahead of 3-2 Tennessee who just crushed them on Saturday. So where is Tennessee on the USA Today Poll-Received 60 votes. Great

Please, anybody associated with college football, for the love of the game, please find a better way.


The polls are more of a joke today than ever. CFB needs a real playoff to end the season rather than the farce we have.  Looks like we agree on your primary point that the polls are absurd.

[krazybuc]

Someone tell me how USF 'killed' WV and Auburn... the combined winning points was what 12? that's killing?

4...5? turnovers to WV... that's killing???

WOW... you bandwagon Bulls fans are hilarious. IDK if it's blind devotion, lack of football knowledge, or just plain mental retardation.

[cyberdude557]

One of the BCS computers has the Bulls at #2 and another has them at #3.

So you can argue whether they belong there all you want. But the computer at least at this point thinks they do. If the Bulls finish undefeated, they actually do have a chance to end up in the national championship....especially if LSU slips up somewhere.
The strength of schedule is what is on the Bulls side right now. They have defeated two teams in the top 25 (including one in the top 10) and are undefeated. That's why the computer has them up over Ohio State because Ohio State hasn't beaten anyone significant yet and the Buckeyes have a very weak schedule all together.

Remember that margin of victory isn't as important to the BCS computer as it is to an AP pollster. The BCS is much more concerned with who you beat and who your opponents beat.

[BornaBuc47]

Someone tell me how USF 'killed' WV and Auburn... the combined winning points was what 12? that's killing?

4...5? turnovers to WV... that's killing???

WOW... you bandwagon Bulls fans are hilarious. IDK if it's blind devotion, lack of football knowledge, or just plain mental retardation.

Hey, you're right, wrong word. If you watched the Auburn game then you must agree that it wasn't as close as the score. Our FG kicker could have made that a 15 point win, but no excuses, we won at Auburn. WV we didn't play too well on offense but when you look at them being #5 and us beating them soundly it's not really a comparison between an undeteated team who beat two ranked teams, which were ranked  17/13th and 5th respectfully and a one loss team that beat #19 Texas by 7 late. I don't see any reason why they are tied.

[krazybuc]

you had 5 turnovers in the WV game... that's not beating them soundly. That's one team being more pathetic than the other.

If you were playing any other team other than an over-rated-every-year WV then you would have been destroyed.

[BuckEmUp]

WV came into the game and is still considered one of the best O's in the nation.  The Bulls D held them in check until they started playing prevent D at the end of the game.  This allowed WV to rack up yard in exchange for running down the clock.  The game was won easily.  The fact that you continue to bash USF after what they have done shows that you have very little football knowledge.  I have watched every game for a long time and what they are doing this year is nothing that we didn't expect.  They needed the win at Auburn to build their confidence and get on a rool.  They are a fairly young team with a redshirt sophmore QB that has only started a little more then 1 years worth of games.  If you can not admit that they are playing great on D and decent on O then that is your problem.  The O will get things going and cut down on the TO's with experience and comfort in the new system.

WV is so overrated that they are still in the top ten and Auburn is showing that they do have a decent team.  All the Bulls can do is beat the teams they play and the rest will take care of its self.  People like you thinking the only confrence in the NCAA is the SEC and maybe Pac10 is the reason a lot of good teams are underrated while the crap in your confrence is overrated.

[BornaBuc47]

He'll come back after we destroy UCF this weekend and say that we didn't destroy them by winning 45-10 because we turned the ball over. It's amazing how we can beat the poop out of top 10 teams and still sorry schools fans like UCF will come around thinking they can win. We're going to put the stomp down on UCF.

[BornaBuc47]

Last season really has no relevance to this season.

Last season always matters in the poles. They haven't lost since the Championship game. Unfortunately they haven't played anybody so the pollsters really don't know if they are good or if they are just beating up on bad teams.

They are undefeated. Who says they haven't played anybody?  Again that is just your opinion not that you are wrong or right but that there is little logic with such a statement.

I'm basing my opinion off of the poles that I am saying need to be fixed, but since they aren't going to be it's what we have to go on. The poles say they haven't beaten anybody.

Why not? Why should Colorado and Texas be considered less worthy than any other team. South Carolina was beaten badly by an LSU team that barely beat Florida. Based on performance I would say LSU looked far worse against UF than Auburn who already has 2 losses!

Because Colorado and Texas are not top tier teams.

This one I agree with. There is no way Oklahoma should be ranked ahead of undefeated  USF .

If they had won all their games, sure but they lost and played poorly against Texas.

The polls are more of a joke today than ever. CFB needs a real playoff to end the season rather than the farce we have.  Looks like we agree on your primary point that the polls are absurd.

I agree.

[Runole]

Bornabuc,

Polls are just opinions just like yours.  They are flawed because most peoples opinions are biased.

College Football needs a real playoff in which attendance is based on a season's worth of merit and performance or a conference championship not on trying to vote which 2 are most deserving.


It would be fantastic if USF made it to the designated MNC game and they most certainly will if they can remain undefeated despite all the bias of the polls.  If this does happen look for changes to start to come to CFB.  There is no way the Bigger BCS conferences will accept USF getting in...  Wouldn't that be something if USF were able to change CFB to having a real playoff by being in the MNC game?


Put Notre Dame in the Big 10  Add a couple of teams to the Pac 10 and 4 more football teams to the Big East.

6 conference championship games.  winners go to round 1 early Dec  2 at large bids opened  to a couple based on merit or being not in the Big 6 conferences.  Home field to the higher seed.   2 games on New Years   Championship the following week..

Simple logical decisive..    Scheduling would improve...IMO for Out of conference games to have a chance at 1 of those 2 at large bids.

What do you think?

[BornaBuc47]

I think that would be great if USF could help in getting the system changed. You'd think the system would have been changed already with some of the results in these so called National Championship games. I think the the top 6 teams should play in a series of bowl games that would validate a champion. They would only have to add a couple of games. The rest of the bowl games would still be played as well.

6 plays 1
5 plays 2
4 plays 3

Top winning ranked team gets a bye
2nd winning ranked team plays 3rd winning ranked team
#1 ranked winning team plays 2nd ranked winning team for National Championship.

(ranks don't change throughout this process)

That would add only two games to the season and determine a proper National Championship and add a lot of money to all school involved.

[cyberdude557]

You guys are also forgetting that if the Bulls go undefeated, they win the Big East and are guranteed a BCS game no matter what the pollsters say.

Winning that BCS game will be HUGE for the Bulls because then the school gets money, recruits, and national attention.

[Sgt.Shultz]

It doesnt matter because the Seminoles could beat the USF Bulls.


NOLES FOR THE ORANGE BOWL!!!!

[BucsBullsBolts]

You guys are also forgetting that if the Bulls go undefeated, they win the Big East and are guranteed a BCS game no matter what the pollsters say.

Winning that BCS game will be HUGE for the Bulls because then the school gets money, recruits, and national attention.

That's really where all the attention should be focused on for Bulls fans ... This national title stuff is fun but not very realistic.