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: November 15, 2006, 12:28:19 PM

Those of you that want a rookie QB... My only question is why?

If your so sick of losing, why would you want to do it again next season with a rookie QB...

Only 2 rookie QBs have ever had more than 7 wins in a season... Dan Marino and Kerry Collins...

Should we get a veteran? YES! Definitely...

But a rookie QB would be stupid to get...


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#1 : November 15, 2006, 12:29:14 PM

Only two? What about Ben?

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#2 : November 15, 2006, 01:04:48 PM

Yeah Ben should be added to the list...but the point is still vaild. The chances of drafting a rookie, whether it's Quinn or some 7th rounder, and winning with them as the starter is slim. We all know that Gruden will keep Grads around, but IMO we need to have some guys with experience come in and battle it out at TC. It can be Grads, Simms, FA Vet, or Grads, FA Vet #1, FA Vet#2, or whatever...There needs to be competition. The more competition the better.



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#3 : November 15, 2006, 01:13:10 PM

Those of you that want a rookie QB... My only question is why?

If your so sick of losing, why would you want to do it again next season with a rookie QB...

Only 2 rookie QBs have ever had more than 7 wins in a season... Dan Marino and Kerry Collins...

Should we get a veteran? YES! Definitely...

But a rookie QB would be stupid to get...

Right.  This is what I'm saying, and also an argument for letting Grads play out, so we can have more information about what we've got in him, and make appropriate choices.

I don't think that Drafting a QB on the first day next year is the way to go, though.

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#4 : November 15, 2006, 01:21:56 PM

If Troy Smith falls to the 4th round, i think they should draft him... otherwise... i'd pass... Smith may fall due to his lack of size... even if he wins the heisman...


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#5 : November 15, 2006, 02:25:31 PM

I'm thinking best QB situation would be Grads as starting QB.  Drew Bledsoe as back up and Luke as #3. And then take a draft pick.  Maybe even one of the really good ones.  THEN we would be set at QB position.


That way we can spell Grads with Drew.  If disaster hits and we get down to the third guy we have Luke.  All the while giving a year or so on the bench for the new guy  to get his act together.  Sounds good to me!

 As much as I personally llike Simms and wish him well, I don't think he'll ever start here.  And, I don't see him staying as back up although that's what he'd be initially no matter where he went.  Let's face it, the poor guy had the worst injury timing ever and it may have tanked his career.  On the other hand, you never know...he'd be happier at a team that fit his pocket style.  I wish him the best.


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#6 : November 15, 2006, 03:38:42 PM

Big ben had a DOMINATE TEAM around him.. we dont got anything close to a dominate team..

The same question should be asked, why a new coach. that will set us back too.


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#7 : November 15, 2006, 06:07:11 PM

Drew Bledsoe is a statue and would get KILLED behind this o-line.  And he's a terrible fit to the WCO.

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#8 : November 15, 2006, 08:31:23 PM

Those of you that want a rookie QB... My only question is why?

If your so sick of losing, why would you want to do it again next season with a rookie QB...

Only 2 rookie QBs have ever had more than 7 wins in a season... Dan Marino and Kerry Collins...

Should we get a veteran? YES! Definitely...

But a rookie QB would be stupid to get...

They want a rookie QB so that if Gruden survives this year, he can get axed the next.  Any rookie QB will take 2-3 years minimum to hit his stride and be a "contender".  The people who are saying "draft Quinn, or so-and-so"  are for the most part the same people saying "Fire Gruden".  If we go with a top pick QB, they'll be the first blaming Gruden for his failures early on, and the time frame would give the perfect excuse to call for Gru's head ... "What only 2 winning seasons in X years?".  We already hear it now, it'll get louder every year.  Do you really think the Fire Gru corwd will turn around and say "give it some time, Quinn's a rookie"?  They aren't giving Grads time, it wouldn't change for Quinn...

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#9 : November 15, 2006, 11:02:07 PM

Bledsoe???

are you freaking kidding me?

he'd die, actually kick the bucket!


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#10 : November 15, 2006, 11:05:49 PM

Bledsoe LOL...

Simms would be better than Drew, Bledsoe is like an older Simms, just a little smarter, but without any clue about our system.

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#11 : November 16, 2006, 05:16:20 PM

So how do you feel about trent green?


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#12 : November 17, 2006, 01:29:45 AM

Why is that a 1st round QB has to start next season?  They don't start right away for a lot of teams.  Drafting a QB in the first round is a hope for the future, not the present.  Why do people assume that anyone who wants a QB in the first round thinks he's going to win right away?  Of course he's not going to.  But there's no guarantee that what we have will win next season or even the year after that.

My point is that drafting a QB in the first round would be an acknowledgement of a need to rebuild, not patch things together for a year.  Winning immediately would not be the objective.  The defense's window has closed.  There is no longer a need to try to win NOW if the team thinks a QB would help in the long run.

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#13 : November 17, 2006, 02:03:48 AM

So how do you feel about trent green?

Would rather have Simms back with a better O-line.

The man needs a top notch line.

Green had two amazing running backs, which helps his game out.  Plus Gonzo, which is bonus.

Simms has had Galloway.  And a decent Crackalack last year.  And that is all.


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#14 : November 17, 2006, 02:44:32 AM

Why is that a 1st round QB has to start next season?  They don't start right away for a lot of teams.  Drafting a QB in the first round is a hope for the future, not the present.  Why do people assume that anyone who wants a QB in the first round thinks he's going to win right away?  Of course he's not going to.  But there's no guarantee that what we have will win next season or even the year after that.

My point is that drafting a QB in the first round would be an acknowledgement of a need to rebuild, not patch things together for a year.  Winning immediately would not be the objective.  The defense's window has closed.  There is no longer a need to try to win NOW if the team thinks a QB would help in the long run.

I think the point is that the man running this team only has so much time left before his head is on the chopping block. A top pick spent on a rookieQB would basically be admitting we're fully in rebuilding stage and looking another losing season in the eye. Another losing season and Gruden is not only on tihn ice, he's freakin drowning.
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