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#15 : November 09, 2007, 03:59:11 PM

The O during the superbowl season played a few good games late.  This O is better by far.  I think that this team could make a run but my hopes are not to high.  The O is a lot better then recent memory.


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#16 : November 09, 2007, 04:05:35 PM

This is the best offense we've had in a long time.    I think it's better than the superbowl season.   

I really don't care much about the rankings of the offense. I care about W/L.

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#17 : November 09, 2007, 04:07:15 PM

This is the best offense we've had in a long time. I think it's better than the superbowl season.

I really don't care much about the rankings of the offense. I care about W/L.

Not me.   I'd rather have a good offense and go 0-16 than have a bad offense and go 16-0.   :)

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#18 : November 09, 2007, 04:08:35 PM

This is the best offense we've had in a long time. I think it's better than the superbowl season.

I really don't care much about the rankings of the offense. I care about W/L.

Can't argue there....but I will say that this defence is no where near as dominant as the 2002 version, so for us to get more W's our offence has to be better than 2002....and thankfully it is.

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#19 : November 09, 2007, 04:56:16 PM

minus the mistakes, this offense certainly looks better than the SB team. It could certainly be better, but its a damn sight better than it has been in the last 4 yrs

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#20 : November 09, 2007, 05:14:45 PM

This is the best offense we've had in a long time. I think it's better than the superbowl season.

I really don't care much about the rankings of the offense. I care about W/L.

Can't argue there....but I will say that this defence is no where near as dominant as the 2002 version, so for us to get more W's our offence has to be better than 2002....and thankfully it is.

The bloom is off the rose for the Tampa Two style of defense.   Everyone and their mother's third cousin is running it and teams know enough about it's weaknesses.   Notice the increased third down efficiency against it??   There'll never be a D that compares with the 02 and prior years that run the scheme.   Close maybe but not better because the league has caught up with it.


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#21 : November 09, 2007, 07:04:53 PM

He's on with Ron and Ian right now just gushing over Gruden. It's driving Beckles crazy, though. ;D

Long live Gruden, Long live the King.  Ink him now to a long term contract. Now dammit

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#22 : November 09, 2007, 07:41:17 PM

The offense is MUCH better than it has been, and the BUcs are using guys that should not make it that way.  Garcia is a HUGE difference in Grudens system.


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#23 : November 09, 2007, 07:55:24 PM

Overall Offense:
2002 Bucs- ranked #24
2007 Bucs- ranked #17 to this date

Just a little more perspective. :)

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#24 : November 09, 2007, 08:14:56 PM

I don't think Gruden walks on water, but I think Sal is right in the fact that he would get a job pretty quick if we canned him.

So did Dungy but when he left, it was surely time for him to go.

Gruden is an excellent coach and once he gets the necessary pieces in place the Bucs will be right back at the top of the league.

How long must we wait for these pieces to be put in place? Our offense is no better than it was 5 yrs ago.

Are you frikkin serious with that post?  Even though 5 years ago we won the SB our offense was ranked 24th in the NFL at the end?  Right now they're ranked 16th in the NFL and very balanced at 16th passing and 16th running the ball!  The stats themselves prove you wrong!  BTW, we're doing that with our 4th string RB which is truly amazing!

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#25 : November 09, 2007, 08:30:18 PM

I hate to break it to a Gruden hater, but ya think those 2002 numbers were a bit skewed by the fact that Brad missed the first Carolina game, Pitt game and Chicago games? When he returned, he toasted SF, put 20 on O at Philly and then you know what happened in the Super Bowl. So 24th was not really indicative of what type of offense we had. Yes, the defense was the primary reason we made it. But once we got two touchdowns up, we weren't exactly trying to run the score up. Just run out the clock.
As for now, we were in the mid 20's just a few weeks ago. That means we've leapfrogged a third of the league in less than a month. I think with our sked ahead, we could easily jump up to about 11th or 12th by season's end. That's not exactly bad, particulary if we finish with 10 wins or more and make the playoffs.

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#26 : November 09, 2007, 09:06:40 PM

Hate,

Don't disagree with you ofter, but I do on that statement.

Our offense is the best its been since the SB. Maybe to you it doesn't seem better but it does to me. Except for the Colts game, I felt we had a reasonable chance for a win in every game. We have the best OL we've had in my memory-even with Wade. We are putting up points. Stupid mistakes cost us 2 games. We also have the best 1 & 2 wide receivers in some time. Granted we may not be blowing out as many teams as we should, but we are so close.

Please explain your rationale.





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#27 : November 09, 2007, 09:08:29 PM

Not having premium picks plus salary cap stuff certainly took its toll but things are looking very bright for the future and this is despite some huge coaching losses.

Two of our premium picks are clear busts in Carnell and Clayton. When a team misses on 1st round picks, thats what sets them back. Imagine how improved we'd be if we were getting contribution from our recent # 1's.

Unc, that game sunday was very frustrating for me.... to only have 10 pts at halftime vs a team that clearly didn't want to play was disheartening. Its like we're still playing Dungyball.... keeping it close and playin not to lose. I thought those days were supposed to be gone. IMO, our O is no different than what he had 6-7 yrs ago.


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#28 : November 09, 2007, 09:16:09 PM

I don't think Gruden walks on water, but I think Sal is right in the fact that he would get a job pretty quick if we canned him.

So did Dungy but when he left, it was surely time for him to go.

Gruden is an excellent coach and once he gets the necessary pieces in place the Bucs will be right back at the top of the league.

How long must we wait for these pieces to be put in place? Our offense is no better than it was 5 yrs ago.

Just wondering, do you watch the games or just read about them afterwards?  You think that quite possibly the pieces have not been there, because we haven't had any money to spend on any?  It's kind of hard to put pieces together when you have zero cap space!  I guess you missed the interview where Garcia wanted to come to Tampa in 2003, but they had no cap space as all they could offer him was a $500,000 signing bonus.

According to the recent article we should have $24 million this off season to spend on those aforementioned pieces.  I have been going to Buc's home games for the past 15 years and honestly this is the very first season that I can remember that I had confidence that this teams offense could comeback from a deficit and can run an effective 2 minute drive.  It's simply amazing that the Buc's are doing this after losing their top 3 RB's and starting LT for the season and their starting TE and No. 2 WR for most of the season.  Altogether 13 players placed on IR so far.

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#29 : November 09, 2007, 09:33:20 PM

Not having premium picks plus salary cap stuff certainly took its toll but things are looking very bright for the future and this is despite some huge coaching losses.

Two of our premium picks are clear busts in Carnell and Clayton. When a team misses on 1st round picks, thats what sets them back. Imagine how improved we'd be if we were getting contribution from our recent # 1's.

Unc, that game sunday was very frustrating for me.... to only have 10 pts at halftime vs a team that clearly didn't want to play was disheartening. Its like we're still playing Dungyball.... keeping it close and playin not to lose. I thought those days were supposed to be gone. IMO, our O is no different than what he had 6-7 yrs ago.


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All I can say about this post is WOW!  I would say that both Caddy and Clayton looked pretty damn good after their rookie seasons huh?  I bet you're fun at parties with your hindsight 20/20 brilliance?  Are you reated to Duemig by chance?  Is it Gruden or Allens fault that these guys suffered injuries and stopped producing?  It appeared as if they hit the gold mine after their first seasons as they looked like future pro bowlers guaranteed.  Caddy's shoes are still in the HOF for what he accomplished you know?

To call Clayton a bust is also idiotic as he contributes in many other ways then just receptions.  Galloway owes several of his TD's to Claytons great blocking and he is a very good special temas player.  He is also still a steady receiver when healthy.  He's been struggling staying healthy since his rookie year though.

Also the Arizona Cardinals didn't come to play?  really?  Is that really your assesment?  They had two weeks to prepare for the Buc's after their bye week and they looked pretty fired up and ready to play form my seats as it was pretty chippy out there on both sides of the ball.  It was the Buc's incredible ball control of 43 minutes which kept them off the field and the Buc's stilffling defense and making them go 3 and out for the most part, which kept them from doing anything all game, but you credit it to THEM not playing instead of the effort the Buc's displayed?  WOW!

For every 1st round Caddy that doesn't make it you get a 4th round Tanard Jackson who is being touted by most publications as the defensive rookie of the year, but they get no credit for that pick, huh?  Teams missing on 1st rounders set them back huh?  Really?  Is that why Tom Brady was a 6th round pick and he is the key to the Patriots success, so by them not having a 1st round pick or missing on it has set them back right?

Actually maybe you could think back through the Buc's history and name me all of their star 1st rounders?  Our 2002 SB winning team was made up of mostly players NOT taken in the 1st round, except for Sapp.

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