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: December 20, 2007, 05:23:15 PM

There aren't too many GMs out there that have had drafts like this since 2004.

2004
1-DeAngelo Hall-Pro Bowler
1-Michael Jenkins- 517 yards 4 TDs
3-Matt Schaub Starter for Houston. Traded for better 1st & a 2nd rounder in 2007, and 2nd rounder in 2008.
4-Demorrio Williams 66 tackles

2005
1-Roddy White 999 yards 5 Tds
2-Jonathan Babineaux 32 tackles 1 FF 2 Sacks
5-Michael Boley 107 tackles 4 FF 2 Sacks found in 5th round

2006
2-Jimmy Williams 15 Tackles 1 INT
3-Jerious Norwood 536 yards 1 TD. Will be starter next year.

2007
1-Jamaal Anderson 27 Tackles 1 FF
2-Justin Blalock Starter
2-Chris Houston 48 Tackles
3-Laurent Robinson 312 Yards
4-Stephen Nicholas 24 Tackles
4-Martrez Milner 50 yards
6-Trey Lewis 19 Tackles
6-David Irons 12 Tackles
6-Daren Stone 5 Tackles
7-Jason Snelling 27 Yards

Every player drafted in 2007 has played.

Compare that to our drafts...
2004-No starters except on special teams.
Michael Clayton
Marquis Cooper
Will Allen
Jeb Terry
Nate Lawrie
Mark Jones
Casey Cramer
Lenny Williams

2005-Barrett Ruud and Smith is the only starter left. Good season from Ruud.
Cadillac Williams
Barrett Ruud
Alex Smith
Chris Colmer
Dan Buenning
Donte Nicholson
Larry Brackins
Anthony Bryant
Rick Razzano
Paris Warren
Hamza Abdullah
J.R. Russell

2006 -Joseph and Trueblood are the starters. Chris Simms might not send Xmas cards.
Davin Joseph Starter
Jeremy Trueblood Starter
Maurice Stovall 86 yards 1 TD
Alan Zemaitis
Julian Jenkins
Bruce Gradkowski
T.J. Williams
Justin Phinisee
Charles Bennett
Tim Massaquoi

2007
Gaines Adams 35 Tackles 2 FF 6 Sacks
Arron Sears Starter
Sabby Piscitelli
Quincy Black
Tanard Jackson 50 Tackles 2 INTs
Greg Peterson
Adam Hayward
Chris Denman
Marcus Hamilton
Kenneth Darby

From 12 Pro Bowlers to 0-We got hosed alright


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#1 : December 20, 2007, 05:24:58 PM

I know,I know....because hes a worm and can live under ground

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#2 : December 20, 2007, 05:46:44 PM

Bornabuc,

Could you do the same thing with Free Agents signings for both teams and projected salary cap figures for 2007, 2008, and 2009?  Just think it would be important in getting the entire picture.

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#3 : December 20, 2007, 05:55:22 PM

Why did Bill Parcells chose a team as devoid of talent as Miami over such a loaded Atlanta franchise?

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#4 : December 20, 2007, 05:57:45 PM

I'll answer in just 2 words. Salary Cap. Thank you!


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#5 : December 20, 2007, 05:58:10 PM

Bornabuc,

Could you do the same thing with Free Agents signings for both teams and projected salary cap figures for 2007, 2008, and 2009?  Just think it would be important in getting the entire picture.

I will do that later, I didn't have time to add the free agents and I have to go out for a bit. I'll add it later.

From 12 Pro Bowlers to 0-We got hosed alright


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#6 : December 20, 2007, 06:00:42 PM

9-5 >>>>>>>> 3-11


Getting an extention>>>>>>> than Getting fired


Do the math!

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#7 : December 20, 2007, 06:09:42 PM

Why don't you give it up, you loser.
Who won the division in 2005? Who won the division this year? Atlanta hasn't won anything since 2004. Before you use the Vick excuse, the Falcons were 8-8 and 7-9 in Vick's last two years.
D'Angelo Hall's career is going in the wrong direction. Jenkins' career is marginally better than Clayton's at this point.
The Bucs have had more injuries. But they've also done a substantially better job of picking up non-drafted FAs.
Why don't you list the other Bucs' tackles for 2007? Because you're a Buc-hating jerk.
Gruden and Allen have the crown. McKay's looking up at them. Just because he drafts more mediocre players means ZILCH.

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#8 : December 20, 2007, 06:10:43 PM

Just some thoughts -

Blank needs someone to blame for Vick - it is McKay
Blank needs someone to blame for Petrino - it is Mckay
Blank needs someone to blame for his failures (i.e. he is a successful business man, not so much as an owner who gets in the mix) - it is McKay

Now Rich has not helped himself - there is no way one can ignore the following

It was McKay who should have vetted Vick before the big contract
It was McKay's scouts and coaches who could not find a wide receiver
It was McKay who overspent for a fullback, a LB and a DE who simply weren't/aren't worth that much
It was McKay's group who picked some real losers on the character side of things.

There is more, but the bottom line is a gm rises and falls with three things, cap control, drafting and hiring head coaches.  That is why football operations will be removed from his control and perhaps even his influence.  

\"A Great Coach has to have a Patient Wife, A Loyal Dog, and a Great Quarterback. . . . but not necessarily in that order\" ~ Coach Bud Grant

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#9 : December 20, 2007, 06:11:04 PM

i'll take our draft over theirs any day.


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#10 : December 20, 2007, 06:20:17 PM

Here Rich, have a burger to go with that too!
He walked out on us and only a Buc hater/loser would defend him.
On their team, being a starter means NOTHING. Somebody has to start. And a lot of those tackles are way down the field.
He ran them into the ground ability-wise and cap-wise and no McKay kisser is gonna change that reality!
Enjoy the next few weeks as we prepare for the postseason cos all Falgoons won't see them for a long long time.

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#11 : December 20, 2007, 06:28:18 PM

3-Matt Schaub Starter for Houston. Traded for better 1st & a 2nd rounder in 2007, and 2nd rounder in 2008.


Haha, yeah, great move...we all know how THAT one turned out.  Traded for better, my butt!  The Falcons would have a MUCH better record if it wasn't for that move.  I think he cancels out drafting Schaub by trading him away when he was their best QB.

McKay drafts SO well, they went 3-11 so far this year...their third non-winning season in a row...with everyone talking about how they're on a downward spiral!

yeah, he'll be ok.

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#12 : December 20, 2007, 07:42:46 PM

Last time I checked 9 > 3. I could care less about drafts. I'm more concerned about wins.


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#13 : December 20, 2007, 07:45:42 PM

Well said, Beers. We smoked them TWICE. Somebody needs to put an egg in their shoe and beat it!

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#14 : December 20, 2007, 08:04:19 PM

I like how you include stats for every falcons player, but only like 2 bucs players. 
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