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#15 : December 20, 2007, 08:20:14 PM

WOW. You are not a Bucs fan at all.No way

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#16 : December 20, 2007, 08:27:10 PM

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#17 : December 20, 2007, 08:35:46 PM

McKay has drafted players, that are part of teams that haven't won ANYTHING.(In ATL)

That says it all.

McKay will fail harder than ever.  At getting a job as a GM.

He will not get hired by anyone to ever be a GM again...mark that down.


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#18 : December 20, 2007, 08:39:05 PM

Why Rich wil prevail? He's a lawyer, he can ask "Were you drunk before you fell off the barstool and got injured?"

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#19 : December 20, 2007, 08:40:07 PM

I agree he is a great drafter, he did a wonderful job, but.................just becasue you can draft players with the HELP of a great staff, doesn't mean that your other skills and responsibilites of the GM position are stellar.  The bad moves outside of the draft show why he is a poor GM overall, from Vick to the Schaub trade....to the contracts he signs players to from Grammatica to the full back  Ovie Mughelli.............not very stellar.   Can't argue with that.  
Name some ofthe stellar moves he has made outside of the draft?????????????????


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#20 : December 20, 2007, 09:26:34 PM

He hasn't had a good draft in like 10 years.

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#21 : December 20, 2007, 09:37:54 PM

Askew or Mughelli, who do you want?
Leftwich/Harrington or Garcia, who do you want?
Rich McKay couldn't manage a meat market.

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#22 : December 20, 2007, 09:40:08 PM

WOW. You are not a Bucs fan at all.No way

^^^^^^^^perfect response to this thread^^^^^^^^^^^^

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#23 : December 20, 2007, 10:31:41 PM

There aren't too many GMs out there that have had drafts like this since 2004.

2004
1-DeAngelo Hall-Pro Bowler
1-Michael Jenkins- 517 yards 4 TDs
3-Matt Schaub Starter for Houston. Traded for better 1st & a 2nd rounder in 2007, and 2nd rounder in 2008.
4-Demorrio Williams 66 tackles

2005
1-Roddy White 999 yards 5 Tds
2-Jonathan Babineaux 32 tackles 1 FF 2 Sacks
5-Michael Boley 107 tackles 4 FF 2 Sacks found in 5th round

2006
2-Jimmy Williams 15 Tackles 1 INT
3-Jerious Norwood 536 yards 1 TD. Will be starter next year.

2007
1-Jamaal Anderson 27 Tackles 1 FF
2-Justin Blalock Starter
2-Chris Houston 48 Tackles
3-Laurent Robinson 312 Yards
4-Stephen Nicholas 24 Tackles
4-Martrez Milner 50 yards
6-Trey Lewis 19 Tackles
6-David Irons 12 Tackles
6-Daren Stone 5 Tackles
7-Jason Snelling 27 Yards

Every since player drafted in 2007 has played.

Compare that to our drafts...
2004-No starters except on special teams.
Michael Clayton
Marquis Cooper
Will Allen
Jeb Terry
Nate Lawrie
Mark Jones
Casey Cramer
Lenny Williams

2005-Barrett Ruud and Smith is the only starter left. Good season from Ruud.
Cadillac Williams
Barrett Ruud
Alex Smith
Chris Colmer
Dan Buenning
Donte Nicholson
Larry Brackins
Anthony Bryant
Rick Razzano
Paris Warren
Hamza Abdullah
J.R. Russell

2006 -Joseph and Trueblood are the starters. Chris Simms might not send Xmas cards.
Davin Joseph Starter
Jeremy Trueblood Starter
Maurice Stovall 86 yards 1 TD
Alan Zemaitis
Julian Jenkins
Bruce Gradkowski
T.J. Williams
Justin Phinisee
Charles Bennett
Tim Massaquoi

2007
Gaines Adams 35 Tackles 2 FF 6 Sacks
Arron Sears Starter
Sabby Piscitelli
Quincy Black
Tanard Jackson 50 Tackles 2 INTs
Greg Peterson
Adam Hayward
Chris Denman
Marcus Hamilton
Kenneth Darby


Rich, shouldn't you be updating your resume or calling NFL owners instead of trolling this site?









It is all making sense now.


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#24 : December 20, 2007, 11:10:05 PM

His drafting was solid at times but seemed to digress as his tenure wound down.

We had three straight years of double 1st rounders and came out with:

1995-Sapp and Brooks...HOME RUN!
1996-Upshaw and Marcus Jones...supposed to be our DE bookends for well over a decade.
1997-Dunn and Anthony...Dunn was a hit, that is all.

And when you consider in 2002 that Gruden apparently wanted Westbrook in the 3rd with the Bucs first pick that draft because he liked his multi dimensional skills, but McKay stuck to it and drafted Marquis Walker instead really makes you question.  Then you just vomit when he drafts Travis Stephens in the 4th to make up for not taking the now Pro Bowl Westbrook.

He had some great moments and some not so great moments in Tampa.  The thing that is beginning to happen from both the Bucs and Falcons, the league is beginning to see behind the "cap guru" label in that the guy is no more special at what he does than any other GM, maybe not even as special. 


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#25 : December 20, 2007, 11:20:13 PM

Just some thoughts -

Blank needs someone to blame for Vick - it is McKay
Blank needs someone to blame for Petrino - it is Mckay
Blank needs someone to blame for his failures (i.e. he is a successful business man, not so much as an owner who gets in the mix) - it is McKay

I've been saying this. He needs a scapegoat. I agree.

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Now Rich has not helped himself - there is no way one can ignore the following

It was McKay who should have vetted Vick before the big contract

The contract was only long, it wasn't any bigger by year then his original contract. I've already shown this. Vick was Blank's boy, not McKays, why don't you blame Blank, because you have to know he had everything to do with signing Vick to that deal.

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It was McKay's scouts and coaches who could not find a wide receiver

They've got a 1000 yard receiver right now that McKay drafted that has one of the best thrown to/caught ratio's. Our last two 1000 yard receivers came from the deal McKay made for Keyshawn. Without Key we don't get Galloway. I also believe McKay brought in McCardell for a great price as well.

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It was McKay who overspent for a fullback, a LB and a DE who simply weren't/aren't worth that much

From what people are saying that fullback is awesome. The linebacker he drafted in the 5th round has 107 tackles and Milloy has 82 tackles and 2 Ints this season and last season he had 98 and 2 sacks. They are only paying him 6 million over 3 years. You're just whining now. That is a great pickup for that money and 82 tackles for a safety is fantastic. Those are Pro Bowl Numbers(4 tackles short of Bob Sander's 86)! To put it in perspective, Tanard Jackson has 50 tackles and 2 Int's)

John Abraham is a 3 time pro bowler. He makes less(6 year $45 M) than Gaines Adams bonehead! He's a 3 time pro bowler. This year he's got 8 sacks and 3 FFs. They got a great deal by only having to slide down in the draft and picked up 2 extra picks. Here's the deal...

"Acquired the 29th pick of the 2006 draft, a 2006 third-round pick and a 2007 fourth-round pick from the Denver Broncos for the 15th pick of the 2006 draft; acquired defensive end John Abraham from the New York Jets for the 29th pick of the 2006 draft."

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It was McKay's group who picked some real losers on the character side of things.

We just had a coach and a player arrested for DUI, one suspended for DUI and several other character issues. How many of these guys your speaking of have been suspended? How many of ours have?

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There is more, but the bottom line is a gm rises and falls with three things, cap control, drafting and hiring head coaches.  That is why football operations will be removed from his control and perhaps even his influence. 

No, those things will be removed from him because of what you said up top, Blank needs a scapegoat. McKay had them in a great spot to succeed this year. Vick messed that up and now McKay is paying the price for it.




From 12 Pro Bowlers to 0-We got hosed alright


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#26 : December 20, 2007, 11:22:43 PM

1995-Sapp and Brooks...HOME RUN!

Thank Sam Wyche and Rusty Tillman. McKay wanted to stay put and draft Mike Mamula.

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#27 : December 20, 2007, 11:29:20 PM

Just because you're starting for a crap team doesn't mean you're any good.

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#28 : December 20, 2007, 11:31:31 PM

The real question is...why does a "Bucs fan" care whether or not Mckay "prevails" or not? Yeah, he did some good things for us,we're thankful for them...but in the past...let it go; he's not here anymore. Also, if you're touting the Falcons as having so much talent, how come when the Bucs beat em it was "oh, big deal, they suck?" Sounds like you wanna have it both ways. Why don't you discuss this with the Falcon fans? Seriously, post this same exact thread on their board, get their responses, and let us know how they feel; it'll be interesting to see how many agree and how many you can convince of his greatness, cause i don't think they're too high on him up there these days.

Edit: Patrick Kerney >>> John Abraham. Period.

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#29 : December 20, 2007, 11:33:52 PM

Just because you're starting for a crap team doesn't mean you're any good.

Last year we were a crap team, does that mean Derrick Brooks, Barber, etc...weren't any good?

From 12 Pro Bowlers to 0-We got hosed alright

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