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: January 28, 2008, 02:58:12 PM

However, it is a moot point since the only QB worth drafting in the first round, Matt Ryan, wont fall to us, so we wont be picking a QB.
Nothing is settled yet. Ryan hasn't proved anything. He may be hot right now, but someone like Andre Woodson could easily be the Ben Roethlisberger to Ryan and Brohm's Eli Manning and Philip Rivers.

Someone better let Tampa, Green Bay, San Diego, Houston, Carolina, New Orleans, San Francisco, Kansas City and the Giants know that you can't trade for a qb. All have managed to make it work at one time or another - and if I thought for another few minutes I am certain the list would be longer.
He did say "if they are playing at a high level", though Drew Brees was playing at a high level when he went from San Diego to New Orleans.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#1 : January 28, 2008, 02:42:45 PM

Someone better let Tampa, Green Bay, San Diego, Houston, Carolina, New Orleans, San Francisco, Kansas City and the Giants know that you can't trade for a qb.  All have managed to make it work at one time or another - and if I thought for another few minutes I am certain the list would be longer. 

\"A Great Coach has to have a Patient Wife, A Loyal Dog, and a Great Quarterback. . . . but not necessarily in that order\" ~ Coach Bud Grant

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#2 : January 28, 2008, 02:08:26 PM

The QB position is a different animal then most other positions.  If you pick a DE, DT, RB, WR, CB or any other position in round one you will be getting some kind of contribution if that player doesn't end up being a starter or probowler.  You have numberous players at those positions playing during every game.  The QB position only has one player play and he should play the entire game.  Therefore, if you pick a first round QB that doesn't end up great he does nothing for the team.

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#3 : January 28, 2008, 02:05:04 PM

We need a QB.

In the Redskin game, we needed 6, yes 6 turnovers to win
In the Saints game, we needed Payton to hand us the game, literally.
In the Texans game we flat out lost.
In the Niners game, Garcia played half the game, and the Niners played with a 3rd string QB. Its funny you mentioned him playing vs. Wash, but not in this game?
In the Car game we faced a 3rd string QB and plenty of back ups too, it wasnt just the Bucs that used starters.

We need a QB, and we need one badly.


So what's your issue with McCown? That was his first game action since he was a rookie in 2004. He overthrew Galloway and Pittman? Yes he did. He also connected on a 60 yarder and a 52 yarder.

His decision making isn't a problem. Galloway didn't run the right route so it made McCown look bad.

He tried to run it a few times when he should of thrown it away, is that why we need a QB so "badly"?

McNown is a back up QB due to a complete lack of pocket understanding.  He is Not the QB of the future, which is need when your starting QB is going to be 39 years old, and looked every bit of that as the season wore on.

We need a QB of the future, and with Gruden's extension, he can afford to grab one.

First of all his name is McCown. And god forbid a young QB with only 3 previous starts made some mistakes. You're right. Forget the cannon arm, forget the 68% completion %, forget the mobility. We need to get someone else in here ASAP.

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#4 : January 28, 2008, 02:35:37 PM

We need a QB.

In the Redskin game, we needed 6, yes 6 turnovers to win
In the Saints game, we needed Payton to hand us the game, literally.
In the Texans game we flat out lost.
In the Niners game, Garcia played half the game, and the Niners played with a 3rd string QB. Its funny you mentioned him playing vs. Wash, but not in this game?
In the Car game we faced a 3rd string QB and plenty of back ups too, it wasnt just the Bucs that used starters.

We need a QB, and we need one badly.


So what's your issue with McCown? That was his first game action since he was a rookie in 2004. He overthrew Galloway and Pittman? Yes he did. He also connected on a 60 yarder and a 52 yarder.

His decision making isn't a problem. Galloway didn't run the right route so it made McCown look bad.

He tried to run it a few times when he should of thrown it away, is that why we need a QB so "badly"?

McNown is a back up QB due to a complete lack of pocket understanding. He is Not the QB of the future, which is need when your starting QB is going to be 39 years old, and looked every bit of that as the season wore on.

We need a QB of the future, and with Gruden's extension, he can afford to grab one.

First of all his name is McCown. And god forbid a young QB with only 3 previous starts made some mistakes. You're right. Forget the cannon arm, forget the 68% completion %, forget the mobility. We need to get someone else in here ASAP.

I am glad you agree with me. 

Even Gruden had Grads in the mix ahead of McCown earlier in the year, so it isn't exactly cut and dried.  I doubt that McCown showed enough to make Gruden think he is in good shape when (not if) Garcia breaks down next year.  Sometimes flaws are flaws, not something to write off do to limited PT.   

There are 3 positions in the NFL that are virtually impossible to trade for if they are playing at a high level:

QB
LT
Pass Rusher

If you have a chance to take any of the three, you take him.  Yes, even if you have McCown on the roster, you still take an elite QB.

However, it is a moot point since the only QB worth drafting in the first round, Matt Ryan, wont fall to us, so we wont be picking a QB.

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#5 : January 27, 2008, 10:12:54 PM

We pick at 20, What position would make you the most angry if the Bucs drafted with our first pick. 

We can measure degree of anger by how far the Remote bounces back toward the couch after it hits the tv/wall

Punter/Kicker do not count


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#6 : January 27, 2008, 10:13:55 PM

Guard


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#7 : January 27, 2008, 10:19:13 PM

Safety


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#8 : January 27, 2008, 10:32:33 PM

pissed at a QB?  So you are saying if Woodson or Brohm falls to 20 that you would pass on him?  Let me guess for Desean Jackson.. right?

My only concern with a QB in round one is the fact that a majority never do crap in the league! Especially of late most 2 to 5th (or 6th in Brady's case) are having success spending a year or two developing then having succeess. I stress not all Round 1 Qb's fail but it's a big risk that hasn't been paying off to much.

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#9 : January 27, 2008, 10:19:53 PM

OG or safety. Anything else would be fine.

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#10 : January 27, 2008, 10:20:19 PM

Agree with DTG...

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#11 : January 27, 2008, 10:20:37 PM

OG or safety. Anything else would be fine.

So a FB at 20th is OK?


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#12 : January 27, 2008, 10:20:44 PM

What about MLB


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#13 : January 27, 2008, 10:21:20 PM

what about a PR/KR ala Ted Ginn


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#14 : January 27, 2008, 10:21:55 PM

what about a PR/KR ala Ted Ginn

Ginn is a WR.

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