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Good points here. I like Rice but if we could get something in return (draft pick R1 or R2 or a young impact player or the ability to go after someone special) I am all for parting ways with Simeon. He will be a year older and we need to infuse some youth.
DE is not like QB, you can acclimate much faster and can gain alot more from practice reps than a QB, so it's not as essential to max out game snaps for a rookie DE, IMO...you don't get a ton of different looks, moves, etc that you don't see in practice. and if we make another marcus jonesregan upshaw pick, we'll regret not keeping a veteran like rice in the fold when we could still afford to.
This d isn't that many players away from a return to glory, they just need to get their players healthy.
Escobar, I believe that moving Barber to S wound help him get to 30-30 quicker. Barber is great at reading the QB and recting which would give him the benifit when playing the recievers as a S and we already know he is a good blitzer which Phillips does more then Barber. I think that Barbers final destination in this D is S and I would love to see it happen next year if we bring in Clements and keep Kelly. Then when Kelly's deal is done hopefully Zemitis would be ready to step in.As for the Dline, I think that We might be better off keeping Rice and letting him and White play DE while having an early pick rookie being the situational rusher with Jenkins. DT can also be taken early in the draft, I like Thomas UF, and let him be a situational player with Whyms and Hovan. The LB squad could be set by switching Brooks side and allowing Winborn to play or bringing in Briggs/June. Then at S we could have Barber/Allen and a pick to rotate. I believe that would se our D up for a nice rebound. This d isn't that many players away from a return to glory, they just need to get their players healthy.
Quote from: BucINT20 on November 28, 2006, 06:27:13 PMDE is not like QB, you can acclimate much faster and can gain alot more from practice reps than a QB, so it's not as essential to max out game snaps for a rookie DE, IMO...you don't get a ton of different looks, moves, etc that you don't see in practice. and if we make another marcus jonesregan upshaw pick, we'll regret not keeping a veteran like rice in the fold when we could still afford to.See my post above this one. Reconfigure the defensive backfield after signing Nate Clements. At LB keep Quarles and move him to SLB, make Ruud the opening day starter at MLB, keep Brooks around for veteran leadership and allow him to retire a Buc and play Winborn a lot. After letting Rice and Spires go, sign Justin Smith and start White at the DE's, Hovan will be back, then consider a guy like Sands or better yet, Redding at DT.DL: Smith, Redding, Hovan, WhiteLB: Brooks/Winborn, Ruud, QuarlesCB: Kelly, ClementsS: Barber, AllenAnybody here like that?
I don't think there have been any S or CB to reach 30-30. I am not sure but I always thought they were considered in the same catagory. I am probably wrong though.
Geez Rice is tough player!! But... .He doesn't not well this season!! but last years hell good..i think we should keep him next years and re-sign11 it well..if not ...it tough for bucs D-face. Well..see it lolx so yea [banghead]
i think if the bucs don't get the trade they want, they'd be better off keeping rice and eating his contract this year....with $25+ mil in cap room, we have the luxury of keeping him around even if it's just as a situational player...if he's healthy, he'll make his plays, and we can groom younger DEs as part of a platoon next year instead of putting the pressure on them to have a 10-sack rookie year...and sim has always been known as a mentor for young DEspeople don't give rice enough credit - when he was on last year we were a #1 defense....non-factor this year, and teams march downfield on us....just like sapp, we'll find that replacing the impact of a player like that at an important position, even in decline, is not as easy as it sounds....still, i never count out bruce allen when it comes to trades...nobody thought we could trade keyshawn or keenan because everybody knew we'd eventually cut them, and he still made it happen