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: November 30, 2006, 10:29:12 PM

Vick is a flipin' moron ... Atlanta was stupid to give him such a huge deal and the next team that signs him as anything other than a slash is too [insert Oakland here].


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#1 : November 30, 2006, 10:00:43 PM

You guys have to remember that VICK is marketable, he's Big dollars and generates Millions on Nike products and much more. Atlanta will not release him for that alone. Vick is fun to watch and he's awesome despite what everyone of you think of him. Mora will be fired this year or next, he's a terrible coach.

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#2 : November 28, 2006, 12:46:11 PM

Read carefully folks, McKay's awful contract structuring is clear as day.........

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

VICK TRADE COULD BE PULLED OFF, AFTER JUNE 1

Although we saw images of an apparently contrite Michael Vick apologizing for the images of an obscene gesture he aimed in the direction of paying customers and their kids on Sunday at the Georgia Dome, the broader question remains, as we see it, whether Vick's time in Atlanta is drawing to a close.

We predicted, even before Vick's meltdown, that he'll ask to be traded after the 2006 season.  But the prevailing sentiment in league circles is that the Falcons would be unable to trade or release Vick, due to the salary cap ramifications arising from the big-money signing bonus he received a couple of years ago.

We've gotten our eyes on his numbers, and the prevailing sentiment is accurate.  To a point.

Trading Vick before June 1, 2007 would trigger a mind-numbing cap charge of $22.25 million.  The dead money, factoring in the $6 million salary Vick wouldn't be paid in 2007, would be $15.75 million.

However, if the Falcons were to make the move after June 1, the cap charge for 2007 would drop to $7.57 million, with a net hit of $1.57 million.  The transaction would actually create $6 million in 2007 cap space.

The problem would arise in 2008, when the Falcons would be hit with $14.68 million in cap charges.  The dead money, based on a Vick's salary of $7.5 million, would be $7.18 million.

Still, if the salary cap gets to $115 million by 2008, the dead money would be roughly six percent of the team's available player payroll for the season.  And by 2009, he'd be completely off of the books.

So if Vick wants out, and if the team is willing to let him out, a trade would be feasible after June 1. 

(Greg Aiello, NFL spokesman, tells us that, although the new CBA allows the cap hit for a trade made after June 1 to be spread over two years, the rule that allows teams to release up to two players before June 1 and process the move as a post-June 1 transaction does not apply to trades.)

Of course, the bigger question would be whether anyone else would willing to take on Vick's contract, which has salaries of $6 million in 2007, $7.5 million in 2008, $9 million in 2009, $10.5 million in 2010, $12 million in 2011, $12.5 million in 2012, and $13.5 million in 2013.

Our guess?  There's a certain team that wears silver and black with an owner who has always loved renegade players (especially really fast ones).  How about Randy Moss and a third-round pick for Vick?  Moss has said wanted to come to Atlanta in 2005, and we believe that the team wasn't interest in Moss primarily because they weren't interested in creating a scenario in which, with a high-end receiver, Vick would have been further exposed as an underperforming passer.

With Matt Schaub elevating into the position of starter, Moss is the kind of guy that the Falcons would want on the field, especially in a West Coast attack that thrives off of a field-stretcher who can open up the underneath routes.

And from a P.R. standpoint, the Falcons would be swapping out one NFL icon for another.  So the seats in the Georgia Dome would still be filled, at least for 2007.

Like many other things, this one makes far too much sense to ever happen.   


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#3 : November 28, 2006, 01:08:15 PM

Read carefully folks, McKay's awful contract structuring is clear as day.........

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

VICK TRADE COULD BE PULLED OFF, AFTER JUNE 1

Although we saw images of an apparently contrite Michael Vick apologizing for the images of an obscene gesture he aimed in the direction of paying customers and their kids on Sunday at the Georgia Dome, the broader question remains, as we see it, whether Vick's time in Atlanta is drawing to a close.

We predicted, even before Vick's meltdown, that he'll ask to be traded after the 2006 season. But the prevailing sentiment in league circles is that the Falcons would be unable to trade or release Vick, due to the salary cap ramifications arising from the big-money signing bonus he received a couple of years ago.

We've gotten our eyes on his numbers, and the prevailing sentiment is accurate. To a point.

Trading Vick before June 1, 2007 would trigger a mind-numbing cap charge of $22.25 million. The dead money, factoring in the $6 million salary Vick wouldn't be paid in 2007, would be $15.75 million.

However, if the Falcons were to make the move after June 1, the cap charge for 2007 would drop to $7.57 million, with a net hit of $1.57 million. The transaction would actually create $6 million in 2007 cap space.

The problem would arise in 2008, when the Falcons would be hit with $14.68 million in cap charges. The dead money, based on a Vick's salary of $7.5 million, would be $7.18 million.

Still, if the salary cap gets to $115 million by 2008, the dead money would be roughly six percent of the team's available player payroll for the season. And by 2009, he'd be completely off of the books.

So if Vick wants out, and if the team is willing to let him out, a trade would be feasible after June 1.

(Greg Aiello, NFL spokesman, tells us that, although the new CBA allows the cap hit for a trade made after June 1 to be spread over two years, the rule that allows teams to release up to two players before June 1 and process the move as a post-June 1 transaction does not apply to trades.)

Of course, the bigger question would be whether anyone else would willing to take on Vick's contract, which has salaries of $6 million in 2007, $7.5 million in 2008, $9 million in 2009, $10.5 million in 2010, $12 million in 2011, $12.5 million in 2012, and $13.5 million in 2013.

Our guess? There's a certain team that wears silver and black with an owner who has always loved renegade players (especially really fast ones). How about Randy Moss and a third-round pick for Vick? Moss has said wanted to come to Atlanta in 2005, and we believe that the team wasn't interest in Moss primarily because they weren't interested in creating a scenario in which, with a high-end receiver, Vick would have been further exposed as an underperforming passer.

With Matt Schaub elevating into the position of starter, Moss is the kind of guy that the Falcons would want on the field, especially in a West Coast attack that thrives off of a field-stretcher who can open up the underneath routes.

And from a P.R. standpoint, the Falcons would be swapping out one NFL icon for another. So the seats in the Georgia Dome would still be filled, at least for 2007.

Like many other things, this one makes far too much sense to ever happen.

Interesting keeponbucn. Paragraph below I found to be interesting. Reminds me of distant times with the Bucs.


Q: Can personnel be tweaked?
Mora: We would have problems doing anything because of our cap situation. We don't have any money left. I don't know who you promote. Everyone is playing. We don't have any money left. Guys just have to make a play. That is what I am going to tell them today. Make a play, win a game and let's move on. We need to keep working and be positive. They work hard and they are positive. I thought we were as ready as I thought we could be yesterday. We had a great week of practice, but on Sunday, it comes down to making a play.

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#4 : November 29, 2006, 11:42:04 PM

We want Vick to leave Atlanta? He's just now starting to get good at passing, but now his age will start to catch up with him!


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#5 : November 29, 2006, 11:49:17 PM

We want Vick to leave Atlanta? He's just now starting to get good at passing, but now his age will start to catch up with him!

Well if it is, it sure doesn't show in either his maturity level, his leadership skills, or his legs.  The man can flat out run like the wind.


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#6 : November 30, 2006, 12:49:22 AM

Atlanta will not trade Vick. Mora will be fired period.

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#7 : November 30, 2006, 07:20:49 AM

I don't care where he goes, just as long as it's not here.

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#8 : November 30, 2006, 07:38:21 AM

Speaking as someone from Atlanta, Blank is not going to put up with Vick or Mora for that matter. I think they're both on their way out, which means I would loathe the Falcons a little less. If they could just get rid of Hall then they would fall into the category of pure dislike.

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#9 : November 30, 2006, 08:25:12 AM

Mora is far more expendable than Vick.  You'll see a new coach or at a minimum a new OC before they try to move Vick.

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#10 : November 30, 2006, 08:43:38 AM

Mora is far more expendable than Vick. You'll see a new coach or at a minimum a new OC before they try to move Vick.

Yeah, if they get a new OC, they can use the "young QB trying to learn a new system" excuse for a couple of years.


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#11 : November 30, 2006, 11:36:38 AM

Vick is Blanks love child and Mora is his red haired step child. Who do you think will be gone? It will be interesting to see who McKay brings in as his next yes man as coach. It will also be interesting to see if Blank plays a bigger role in the hiring and pisses McKay off like what happened in Tampa. I bet they bring in Tedford from Cal, he is known for being a QB guru.

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#12 : November 30, 2006, 11:45:15 AM

Vick is Blanks love child and Mora is his red haired step child. Who do you think will be gone? It will be interesting to see who McKay brings in as his next yes man as coach. It will also be interesting to see if Blank plays a bigger role in the hiring and pisses McKay off like what happened in Tampa. I bet they bring in Tedford from Cal, he is known for being a QB guru.
Bill Tedford and his hold-the-ball-by-the-ear technique don't translate well into the NFL.  He has not really produced a good crop of NFL QB's.  Note I said GOOD.  And I cannot see Vick adjusting to that style of QBing, if anything, they will be forced into contiunuing their effort at creating an offense centered around two or three runners, with the pass being being an option.


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#13 : November 30, 2006, 11:53:44 AM

Vick is Blanks love child and Mora is his red haired step child. Who do you think will be gone? It will be interesting to see who McKay brings in as his next yes man as coach. It will also be interesting to see if Blank plays a bigger role in the hiring and pisses McKay off like what happened in Tampa. I bet they bring in Tedford from Cal, he is known for being a QB guru.
Well if they want a QB Guru, and if some posters here had their way, Gruden could be up there soon...

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#14 : December 01, 2006, 12:41:36 AM

BTownBucFan- If you have something personal against Vick, Fine , but don't criticize his ability as a player, he's great and what he does as a QB constantly forces Defensive coordinators to change their game plan.
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