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: February 27, 2008, 12:17:24 PM


About anti-depressants that is. He claimed that drugs masked the problem and
didn't get to the cause of it. Well, now it seems that those drugs don't even
do that! In most cases, they're no better than a placebo. And in some cases,
like Cruise claimed, they are EXTREMELY dangerous. Kooky as Cruise is, he
seems to be dead on about these drugs.

I disagree with Cruise about the counseling not helping. But the drugs? They hurt
more than they help and he also said that on the "Today" show. Go research how
many of the school shooters were on one or multiple anti-depressants when they
committed the murders. Don't believe me? Watch these news clips dealing with
the subject of antidepressants. Pay attention to the Fox News story.

Scary stuff and with this new study out, it should really wake up a lot of people.
We need a major overhaul of the FDA and these drug companies need to be indicted
for negligent homicide or something stronger. Any lawyer here? They purposely
held back negative studies relating to these drugs.

MUST WATCH News Clips on Extreme Dangers of Anti-depressants



Once again, Greed is killing us. How long are we going to put up with this?

Cruise's interview with Matt "Clueless" Lauer on "Today," last year...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HwAaHbmF5S4

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Interesting day when Tom Cruise comes out looking like the intelligent one.

FYI, last I heard, 120 million antidepressants are prescribed each year in this
country.

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http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13375-prozac-does-not-work-in-majority-of-depressed-patients.html

Prozac does not work in majority of depressed patients

26 February 2008

The antidepressant Prozac and related drugs are no better than placebo in treating all but the most severely depressed patients, according to a damaging assessment of the latest generation of antidepressants.

SSRIs, or selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, were supposed to revolutionise care of depression – by treating symptoms without the side effects of older drugs, such as tricyclics.

But despite selling in vast quantities, a new meta-analysis of these drugs, from data presented to the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA), appears to suggest that for most patients they do not work. A previous study had indicated that the benefits of antidepressants might be exaggerated.

UK and US researchers led by Irving Kirsch of Hull University, UK, studied all clinical trials submitted to the FDA for the licensing of the four SSRIs: fluoxetine (Prozac), venlafaxine, nefazodone, and paroxetine (Seroxat or Paxil), for which full datasets were available.

They conclude that, "compared with placebo, the new-generation antidepressants do not produce clinically significant improvements in depression in patients who initially have moderate or even very severe depression".
Dishing out drugs

They did detect some benefits in the most severely depressed patients. But conclude that in this group the small effect is "due to decreased responsiveness to placebo, rather than increased responsiveness to medication".

Given these results, they say that there is little reason to prescribe SSRI medications to any but the most severely depressed patients.

David Healy, a psychiatrist at Cardiff University, UK, specialising in the use of SSRI drugs, says the latest study confirms su**CENSORED**ions that the drugs' effectiveness had been dramatically overstated.

"Most importantly this new study shows that the people who did respond to the drugs would have responded to placebo, anyway.

"It confirms that GPs should not be dishing these drugs out as first-line treatment for mild depression," he told New Scientist. The drugs were, he notes, "routinely being given to people who would get better without them".


Positive results

Eli Lilly, which manufactures Prozac, says that "extensive scientific and medical experience has demonstrated it is an effective antidepressant". It adds that: "More than 50 million people with depression have been treated with Prozac since its launch."

A spokesman for GlaxoSmithKline, which makes Seroxat, points out that the study only looked at a "small subset of the total data available".

Healy notes however, that drug companies have tended to publish studies showing positive results of the SSRIs in mildly depressed patients.


He says too that there have been concerns that SSRI drugs, particularly paroxetine, may cause dependence in some patients, and this underlines the need to avoid their unnecessary prescription.

Placebo benefit

Healy warns however, that anyone taking SSRI antidepressants should not suddenly stop taking their medication and should consult their doctor before coming off the drugs.

David Nutt, a psychopharmacologist at Bristol University, UK, points out that if SSRIs provided some sort of placebo benefit, this should not be discounted. He notes that "the true drug effect is that of the drug added to that of placebo which is not the same as no treatment".

Earlier this month, New Scientist reported claims by US lawyers that they had obtained documents suggesting that an inappropriate analysis of clinical trial data by researchers at GlaxoSmithKline had obscured suicide risks associated with paroxetine for 15 years.

Journal reference: PLoS Medicine (February 2008)


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#1 : February 27, 2008, 12:31:40 PM

what, taking a pill isnt going to make me a happy person with no worries anymore?

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#2 : February 27, 2008, 12:49:25 PM

You obviously missed the point. Like I said, go watch the videos of clips related to these
drugs. And read the study. Make some educated comments.

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#3 : February 27, 2008, 01:04:33 PM

Cruise is exactly right in this instance. I use to have pretty bad anxiety, still do at times, but not nearly as bad as it used to be. Well I absolutely refused to take any sort of medication for it. The key for someone in my position was to reverse the pattern that caused the anxious feelings to begin with. Sometimes I could hardly even go out in public, not because I was a suicidal mess, but because when you have anxiety issues you are always worried about having some sort of panic attack in public, it's all about control. By staying home and being "safe", you control the situation and therefore feel less anxious. By going out in public, you give up some of that control, you start feeling anxious and just like that your heart is beating a million miles per hour and you are smack dab in the middle of a panic attack.

I realized that the only way to break the cycle was to start facing those fears. No matter how bad I felt or how anxious I felt I would constantly force myself to leave the house on a regular basis. And wouldn't you know it, over a short period of time I started to notice huge changes. I felt much less anxious, rarely if ever had panic attacks, and was essentially a completely different person. All it took was changing the pattern my mind had come to know, I basically had to re-wire my thought process.

Now if I had gone and taken some of these prescription drugs, I'm 100 % positive that today I would still be suffering from anxiety problems. The reason I know that is because I have a few friends that suffer from the same thing, except they decided to take the easy way out and try the drugs. As Cruise said, they do nothing but cover up the symptoms and possibly put you at ease a little more, making you feel as though you are better. BS. Many times its nothing more than a flawed thought process and until you fix that no amount of drugs in the world is going to do a thing for you. Eventually you are going to stop taking the drugs and one day you are going to be out in public and it's right back to your old anxious self again. Many people probably wonder why without ever doing the research. They don't realize it's because they never went to the root of the problem (the way you think), they opted for the quick fix aka fools gold drug.

I have no doubt that if we took away every single prescription drug used to treat depression and anxiety disorders that over a small amount of time the overall number of people suffering from these conditions would go down, and by a lot. Because people would have no other choice but to force themselves to do things they normally wouldn't do, they wouldn't be able to pop a pill and see all of their symptoms magically go away. As I said before I have a few friends that suffer from these kinds of things and take prescription drugs to "treat" themselves. Perhaps it's a coincidence but they seem to be some of the more erratic, moody people that I know. They also spend a disgusting amount of money per month on these drugs, which is exactly the plan from the beginning by the medical community when manufacturing them. They want to make you reliant on them, not make you better. If you are reliant on their drugs then they get your money, if their drugs actually worked and made you completely better then that means MUCH less money for them. How there are actually people left that can't see that big pharma and the rest of the health "care" industry are all about money and nothing else is really beyond me.

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#4 : February 27, 2008, 01:09:21 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/17/earlyshow/leisure/celebspot/main3723838.shtml?source=search_story


Scientology is a farce. Tom Cruise is a verifiable nut job.

And you pseudo-psychologists know nothing about the benefits of psych drugs and the benefits they bring.

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#5 : February 27, 2008, 01:14:58 PM

Except this really isn't about Cruise or Scientology. Read past my headline and that's obvious.

Thanks for sharing, Esco.

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#6 : February 27, 2008, 01:17:28 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/17/earlyshow/leisure/celebspot/main3723838.shtml?source=search_story


Scientology is a farce. Tom Cruise is a verifiable nut job.

And you pseudo-psychologists know nothing about the benefits of psych drugs and the benefits they bring.

Now this is the thought process I love. Truth is truth no matter who says it. I don't care if satan himself said that big pharma is all about the profits and nothing else, it would still be true. Using Cruise's religion as a means to nullify what he said is pretty weak.

And I would love to hear about these "benefits". Would one of them be waking up in the middle of the night puking while your nose also drips blood?  Because that's what a friend of mine who used to take these drugs used to deal with. How about the "benefit" of not being able to smell ANYTHING, which is what my own brother now deals with because he takes these poison pills. Or perhaps you should go check with the thousands of families who lost someone who used to take these drugs and then decided killing themselves was their only way out. Death, some "benefit".

Get a clue.

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#7 : February 27, 2008, 01:20:11 PM

Or the school shootings. Watch that video.

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#8 : February 27, 2008, 01:23:04 PM

You obviously missed the point. Like I said, go watch the videos of clips related to these
drugs. And read the study. Make some educated comments.

what was the point?  that drugs arent all they are cracked up to be?  or that they are?  maybe you missed my point.  and im not sure that anyone can make educated comments about this issue.

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#9 : February 27, 2008, 01:25:16 PM

He is right but those pills are still fun to take.

As crazy as Tom is I knew he was right all along, he just goes about expressing his thoughts the wrong way.

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#10 : February 27, 2008, 01:27:47 PM

I have no doubt that there are some majorly f'ed up people in this world that need to be on something. People with a long history of taking acid or some other hallucinogen and now their mind is just shot, and other situations too. But to the average every day person dealing with depression or anxiety it is entirely possible and very effective to treat yourself without taking a single drug. The problem is that you will almost never hear about that kind of treatment option by going to a doctor, he or she will throw more drugs at you than you know what to do with, and then they will prescribe some more.

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#11 : February 27, 2008, 01:30:48 PM

You obviously missed the point. Like I said, go watch the videos of clips related to these
drugs. And read the study. Make some educated comments.

what was the point?  that drugs arent all they are cracked up to be?  or that they are? 

Both. Read the study and watch the video. Clear as day. With most people, they don't
help. With others, they help a little. But with some, they are extremely dangerous.

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#12 : February 27, 2008, 01:38:07 PM

I think what it boils down to is that being raised in America you are taught that going to the doctor is a good thing. You get sick, you go to the doctor and take drugs, and now you are better. For decades that solution has been shoved down our throats as the only acceptable way to treat ourselves. Forget about taking anything natural, it definitely has to be a pill some scientist somewhere threw together. Nevermind the fact that these pills are causing more problems than they are helping im sure.

But if people would actually do some thinking and reading on their own instead of just accepting what they have been told for decades then maybe big pharma would be in trouble. As long as people fall in line just as they are expected to then people will continue to die and suffer serious side affects from these dangerous "solutions" our caring healthcare industry has cooked up for us.

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#13 : February 27, 2008, 01:44:51 PM

I wouldn't go so far as say Cruise was right.  Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.
The Anti-depressants may be bad, but Cruise was criticizing Brooke Shields for taking an epidural during child birth.  Pain killers do work.
Also, you have to look at the cause of depression.  Post-partum is caused by a chemical/hormonal imbalance where as other types are caused by enviromental factors and such.


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#14 : February 27, 2008, 01:48:10 PM

These quacks find one or two stories about a mass murderer's medications not working and then make generalizations about millions of people. They see a story that says meds "might" not work, and go overboard with broad generalizations.  They know nothing about pharmacology or physiology, or the causes of depression or other mental illnesses. They see something on well respected FOX and take it for gospel.
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