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: March 12, 2008, 08:54:59 PM


This is all of the endorsement that I need, coming from Jerry Rice. If he is there at #20 we should draft him.





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#1 : March 12, 2008, 08:58:12 PM

If we draft a WR, I rather us get Devin Thomas....


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#2 : March 12, 2008, 09:01:31 PM

Let's see what happens in April. Desean has his detractors but he certainly has the speed the Buccaneers are looking for.

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#3 : March 12, 2008, 09:03:11 PM

if the Bucs sign Bryant Johnson or DJ hackett...what room do we exactly have with Galloway, Hilliard, Bryant, Clayton, and Stovall already.


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#4 : March 12, 2008, 09:09:37 PM

if the Bucs sign Bryant Johnson or DJ hackett...what room do we exactly have with Galloway, Hilliard, Bryant, Clayton, and Stovall already.



None of these receivers have the KR/PR ability that Jackson has. He could be a real weapon in the return game, one like we have never had before. Also with the core of receivers that we will have, there would be no rush for him to learn the offense, unless he progresses that well.

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#5 : March 12, 2008, 09:18:58 PM

if the Bucs sign Bryant Johnson or DJ hackett...what about Galloway, Hilliard, Bryant, Clayton, and Stovall?


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#6 : March 12, 2008, 09:19:29 PM

You're opening up a can of worms.


The hate for DeSean on this board runs thick.


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#7 : March 12, 2008, 09:21:37 PM

if the Bucs sign Bryant Johnson or DJ hackett...what room do we exactly have with Galloway, Hilliard, Bryant, Clayton, and Stovall already.



Galloway and Hilliard aren't bullet proof.

As soon as Galloway hangs it up we are back to square one with one deep threat.

Until this team has another all out burner like Galloway, DeSean will still be a viable 1st round selection.

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#8 : March 12, 2008, 09:27:11 PM

You're opening up a can of worms.


The hate for DeSean on this board runs thick.



Thanks SunnyD...I'm prepared to be bombarded. I just don't see how one can ignore a "pure" playmaker and I hear the Ginn comparison all of the time. He is tougher and better than Ginn in my opinion.

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#9 : March 12, 2008, 09:29:37 PM

Agreed....


Some say he is not only worse than Ginn but that the two are uncomparable  ::)

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#10 : March 12, 2008, 09:33:36 PM

If the team was looking strictly for a return specialist then Jackson would be the guy, but the team needs a player with speed that can turn into a  number one receiver which at under 5 feet nothing and under 170 pounds with rocks in his pocketts just dont see the team investing a first round pick in a player that wont be able to add much in the passing game. Garcia doesnt have the strongest arm and I just dont see Jackson going over the middle that much.

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#11 : March 12, 2008, 09:39:45 PM

Garcia won't be around forever and this team already has plenty of blundering recievers to catch the ball in traffic.

Jackson isn't going to break many tackles but he is nearly uncatchable in the open field and has great ball skills.

The kid is a Weapon.

Trickplays, Screens, Reverses, Deep Routes, Kick and Punt Returns.

He is versatile and can stretch the field

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#12 : March 12, 2008, 09:42:59 PM

Scratch deep routes off, because Garcia nor Griese has the arm to get it to him, how many receiver screens have you seen Gruden run? Gurden has not shown that many trick plays, so you are drafting a player in the first to be on special teams great use of a first round pick

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#13 : March 12, 2008, 09:46:47 PM

Scratch deep routes off, because Garcia nor Griese has the arm to get it to him, how many receiver screens have you seen Gruden run? Gurden has not shown that many trick plays, so you are drafting a player in the first to be on special teams great use of a first round pick

If teams knew what Devin Hester was capable of pre-draft do you think he would have been a first round pick?

Hester has single handidly won games for Chicago and even when he is not scoring TDs he is basically giving them the ball at the forty.

Do you think Gruden would use a first round pick on a player that would potentially give him that advantage?

We are talking about the guy that drafted a kicker in the first round.

I think DeSean is a heck of a lot more than a return specialist

but even at that level I still think he is worth the pick

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#14 : March 12, 2008, 10:02:01 PM

I don't hate the guy, I just don't see him as worthy of a first round selection which is what we're going to have to spend to get him. I feel I have to keep repeating myself as long as the pro Jackson guys keep on repeating them selves.

Jackson is too small (5'9, 169) to be more than a slot receiver at this level. There is no precedent for a player his size being a #1 in the NFL. He struggles to beat the jam versus even college corners, and is not a threat to go over the middle, because of his size. His returning style is similar to Reggie Bush's in that he tends to dance, avoid contact, and stretch his returns east-west in an effort to find the lane. Don't compare him to Devin Hester. What makes Hester a great returner is that combined with his world class athleticism, he finds the crease fast and hits it right away and then he's gone. When there is no crease, he fights through contract and makes one. Jackson does not.

As a receiver his senior year, he only had 2 monster performances, two pretty good ones, with the remaining 9 games being lackluster. Heck, his senior year he put up 65 receptions for 762 yards and 6 touchdowns. That's 11.7 YPC! Hardly gamebreaking numbers. His production declined severely from his junior year after teams learned to press him, and most of his big plays game in the punt return game where, as I already said, I'm not impressed with his style. This is in the Pac10 mind you, not a conference known for speed. In the SEC, Jackson would have a much rougher time with his returns. Also, he's only returned 2 or 3 kickoffs in his career? Not a huge concern, but it makes me wonder why, if he's so explosive, they wouldn't have him returning all kicks?

After Galloway, we have a roster stocked full of #2 and #3 receivers. Do we want to spend a 1st round pick on another? Jackson would be a good pick for a team with an established superstar, and we just aren't that team. My dislike for Jackson is hardly irrational. I just feel he's a bad fit for Tampa at a first round price.
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