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#30 : March 12, 2008, 11:30:42 PM

Im sorry I only skimmed that because obviously Im not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mine but this caught my eye....


The Pac 10 isn't known for Speed...?

I like that I write a detailed, thought out argument against Desean Jackson but you won't read it. And those that don't like Jackson are the unreasonable ones.

And the Pac 10 is historically a slower conference than the SEC and is certainly no faster than the ACC. If you want an example of Pac 10 speed to support Desean Jackson, keep looking. Reggie Bush is at best a major disappointment, and the next fastest player off the top of my head is Jones-Drew who's body and style are polar opposite of Jackson.

It doesn't matter what argument you write. One thing is for sure...he's either going to be playing for us or we will be following him into the end zone, shaking our heads again thinking another Adrian Peterson scenario. Some of the same type of arguments pertained to AD last year..."he doesn't fit our system", "injury prone", there's no where for him to play, with Caddy on the team".

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#31 : March 12, 2008, 11:31:36 PM

Garcia won't be around forever and this team already has plenty of blundering recievers to catch the ball in traffic.

Jackson isn't going to break many tackles but he is nearly uncatchable in the open field and has great ball skills.

The kid is a Weapon.

Trickplays, Screens, Reverses, Deep Routes, Kick and Punt Returns.

He is versatile and can stretch the field
Sounds like Reggie Bush to me...

Except Reggie Bush was a RB.


And when Reggie Bush was utilized correcty in 2006 (not being used as an inbetween-the-tackles featured back) he was explosive and effective.



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#32 : March 12, 2008, 11:31:48 PM

So anyone want to explain to me what is wrong with Lavelle Hawkins?

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#33 : March 12, 2008, 11:33:28 PM

Im sorry I only skimmed that because obviously Im not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mine but this caught my eye....


The Pac 10 isn't known for Speed...?

I like that I write a detailed, thought out argument against Desean Jackson but you won't read it. And those that don't like Jackson are the unreasonable ones.

And the Pac 10 is historically a slower conference than the SEC and is certainly no faster than the ACC. If you want an example of Pac 10 speed to support Desean Jackson, keep looking. Reggie Bush is at best a major disappointment, and the next fastest player off the top of my head is Jones-Drew who's body and style are polar opposite of Jackson.

It doesn't matter what argument you write. One thing is for sure...he's either going to be playing for us or we will be following him into the end zone, shaking our heads again thinking another Adrian Peterson scenario. Some of the same type of arguments pertained to AD last year..."he doesn't fit our system", "injury prone", there's no where for him to play, with Caddy on the team".

I don't know but I don't remember having those thoughts about AP. I had thoughts with you already have a top 5 running back selected in Caddy and you have holes galore all over the place and taking AP would be a stretch. Sure looking back I wouldn't mind AP one bit, obviously.

Now, all that said, Desean Jackson and comparing him to AP??? Come on now...



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#34 : March 12, 2008, 11:34:35 PM

Steve Smith is also 5'9. I'm not saying Jackson is Smith but just because you are a 6' ft. or plus receiver doesn't automaticall make you good. Michael Clayton and Stovall prove that. Add to that Galloway is a mere two inches taller then Jackson.

It certainly is a concern but if the Bucs were not certain Desean could be a weapon then they won't draft him at 20. We will have to see.



The comparison to Smith doesn't work at all because Smith plays much bigger, can play in the middle of the field, makes the tough catch, can run the underneath routes and the deep route. Jackson is not comparable to Smith at all other than height. He's just not that type of player.

Jerry Rice compared him to Steve Smith. Maybe, just maybe, Jerry knows a little more about the game than we do.

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#35 : March 12, 2008, 11:36:48 PM


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I don't know but I don't remember having those thoughts about AP. I had thoughts with you already have a top 5 running back selected in Caddy and you have holes galore all over the place and taking AP would be a stretch. Sure looking back I wouldn't mind AP one bit, obviously.

Now, all that said, Desean Jackson and comparing him to AP??? Come on now...
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Impact wise...ya never know.

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#36 : March 12, 2008, 11:37:46 PM

Look guys, Jerry said this, Jerry said that. Jerry ain't gonna bring up short comings and compare him to Jacquez Green either...



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#37 : March 12, 2008, 11:37:54 PM

So anyone want to explain to me what is wrong with Lavelle Hawkins?


He's a slower, less productive, DeSean Jackson with little return experince

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#38 : March 12, 2008, 11:38:21 PM

So anyone want to explain to me what is wrong with Lavelle Hawkins?


Not a thing, I like him too. He'll probably be a fourth round guy.

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#39 : March 12, 2008, 11:38:30 PM

Garcia won't be around forever and this team already has plenty of blundering recievers to catch the ball in traffic.

Jackson isn't going to break many tackles but he is nearly uncatchable in the open field and has great ball skills.

The kid is a Weapon.

Trickplays, Screens, Reverses, Deep Routes, Kick and Punt Returns.

He is versatile and can stretch the field
Sounds like Reggie Bush to me...

Except Reggie Bush was a RB.


And when Reggie Bush was utilized correcty in 2006 (not being used as an inbetween-the-tackles featured back) he was explosive and effective.



A running back who was a punt returner, a slot receiver, and a gadget guy.  Check out how many receptions Bush has, and tell me that my comparison of him to Reggie Bush is that off...

If Jackson is as you say he is, that sounds like Reggie Bush to me.

I just don't think Jackson is a pure wideout.  He is definitely a kick return specialist, a three wideout set kind of guy.  I sincerely doubt the Bucs draft him.  I would not mind seeing him picked, but I just have a bad feeling about the kid...he is so teeny.  And he is not playing Pac-10 ball anymore.  These guys he will be lined across are freaks compared to the Pac-10 defenses he faced...


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#40 : March 12, 2008, 11:39:02 PM

Define how Lavelle Hawkins is slower.  :-*

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#41 : March 12, 2008, 11:42:04 PM


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I don't know but I don't remember having those thoughts about AP. I had thoughts with you already have a top 5 running back selected in Caddy and you have holes galore all over the place and taking AP would be a stretch. Sure looking back I wouldn't mind AP one bit, obviously.

Now, all that said, Desean Jackson and comparing him to AP??? Come on now...
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Impact wise...ya never know.

You are right but AP had every tool to be the player he was in 2007. He had tremendous size/speed and was the prototype RB (maybe a hair too tall if you wanna split hairs). AP played RB and that is the most easy adjustment from the college to NFL for players.

I think DJ is small and weak and will be playing against NFL DB's which will take some serious time to adjust too. I mean think about the busts at WR and then factor in who small DJ is. Its just another strike against the guy. I mean 165 lbs. that is tiny.

DJ does have GREAT speed and that absolutley makes up for his size. He caught the ball really well at the combine too and can run routes. I just think he is too little and it will be a huge adjustment for him.



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#42 : March 12, 2008, 11:42:20 PM

Look guys, Jerry said this, Jerry said that. Jerry ain't gonna bring up short comings and compare him to Jacquez Green either...

So exactly what was it that Jerry should have said, please enlighten me.

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#43 : March 12, 2008, 11:45:07 PM

Im not arguing that the two are compltely uncomparable.

Im only saying that most of the hate on Reggie Bush I remember reading was that "He's not a true RB" "He's a slot WR not a RB" like you said

But when paired with a true RB and utilized correctly Reggie Bush was a THREAT as a punt returner, slot reciever, gadget guy and I think his play in 2006 was a big part of the Saints playoff run.

When they slammed Bush into the featured back role he struggled and got injured.

If you slam DeSean into the #1 WR roll he will struggle.

But if Jackson is utilized correctly like Bush originally was, he would be just as dangerous of a Weapon.

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#44 : March 12, 2008, 11:45:25 PM

Look guys, Jerry said this, Jerry said that. Jerry ain't gonna bring up short comings and compare him to Jacquez Green either...

So exactly what was it that Jerry should have said, please enlighten me.

Jerry is working with the guy right? Lets think out of the box for a second....Ok, good! Jerry ain't gonna say bad things about a guy he is trying to work with to elevate his game....

I mean if he is steve smith he'll be gone by pick 5....

Jerry is nothing more than a talking head for DJ...



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