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: March 20, 2008, 04:30:47 PM

I'm not opposed to a 1st round corner. It's just that Kiffin has been able to do great things with corners drafted in later rounds. So I wonder if we use the pick on someone else at another position, and grab a corner in 2 or 3?
I think the value may be in having a corner who can also return kicks.

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#1 : March 20, 2008, 04:18:21 PM

well we agree on Merling.  I like the Flacco pick as I see him being probably the 2nd best QB in this draft, maybe even better then Brohm.(IDK what it is about Ryan, I just think he'll be a bust and a half)

We also agreed on Lowery.  I dont know too much about Avery, but judging by the WRs left, he's the best one left IMO.

I also am not too sure about back-to-back CBs.  I understand 3 of our guys will have expired contracts next off-season, but I thnk well resign Buch and still have Barber around.

Plus you figure this year, we wont carry Barber, Buch, Wilson, Davis, Williams, Lowerey, and Cox.  I think we'll keep 5 CBs...


Not a bad draft though, Im a big fan of defense and love the possibility of getting that QB of the future...

Im sorry about my hatrid towards drafting WRs...it's just Anthony, Green, Clayton, and Stovall really made me skeptical...

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#2 : March 20, 2008, 02:50:44 PM

Just participated in a seven round mock draft, you were allowed to trade picks and players, but decided to stand pat and draft based off of needs with out reaching to players in each round that where projected to go in that round. The pick I really screwed to pooch on was the Martin Rucker pick it should have been Joe Flacco, but I had to send my 4th round pick in and was not online for it.

1. Antoine Cason CB
2. Donnie Avery WR
3. Kevin Smith RB
4. Martin Rucker TE
5. Dwight Lowery CB 

1 Miami Dolphins - Chris Long, DE, Virginia
2 St. Louis Rams - Jake Long, OT, Michigan
3 Atlanta Falcons - Glenn Dorsey, DT, Louisiana State
4 Oakland Raiders - Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas
5 Kansas City Chiefs - Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC
6 New York Jets - Vernon Golston, DE/LB, Ohio State
7 New England Patriots (from 49ers) - Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy
8 Carolina Panthers (from Ravens - Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State
9 Cincinnati Bengals - Rashard Mendenhall, RB, Illinois
10 New Orleans Saints - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Tennessee State
11 Buffalo Bills - Malcolm Kelly, WR, Oklahoma
12 Atlanta Falcons (from Broncos) - Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College
13 Baltimore Ravens - Jeff Otah, OT, Pittsburgh
14 Chicago Bears - Limas Sweed, WR, Texas
15 Detroit Lions - Mike Jenkins, CB, South Florida
16 Arizona Cardinals - Kenny Phillips, FS, Miami
17 Minnesota Vikings - Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida
18 Tennessee Titans (via Dallas) - DeSean Jackson, WR, California
19 Philadelphia Eagles - Keith Rivers, LB, USC
20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona
21 Denver Broncos - Dan Connor, LB, Penn State
22 Oakland Raiders (from Browns via Dallas) - Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson
23 Pittsburgh Steelers - Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt
24 Dallas Cowboys (from Tennessee) - Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas
25 Seattle Seahawks - Brandon Albert, OG, Virginia
26 Jacksonville Jaguars - Calais Campbell, DE, Miami
27 San Diego Chargers - Jerod Mayo, LB, Tennessee
28 Dallas Cowboys - Mario Manningham, WR, Michigan
29 San Francisco 49ers (from Ind.) - Quentin Groves, LB, Auburn
30 Green Bay Packers - Tracy Porter, CB, Indiana
31 New York Giants - Jonathan Stewart, RB, Oregon

32 DOLPHINS - Sam Baker, OT, USC
33 RAMS - Lawrence Jackson, DE, USC
34 TITANS (from Houston) - Kentwan Balmer, DT, North Carolina
35 CHIEFS - Anthony Collins, OT, Kansas
36 JETS - Curtis Lofton, LB, Oklahoma
37 BRONCOS (from Falcons) - Dustin Keller, TE, Purdue
38 RAVENS - Andre Woodson, QB, Kentucky
39 49ERS - Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan State
40 SAINTS - Reggie Smith, FS/CB, Oklahoma
41 BILLS - Justin King, CB, Penn State
42 SAINTS (from Broncos) - Pat Sims, DT, Auburn
43 VIKINGS (from Panthers) - Trevor Laws, DT, Notre Dame
44 BEARS - Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville
45 LIONS - Felix Jones, RB, Arkansas
46 BENGALS Ali Highsmith, LB, LSU
47 PANTHERS (from Vikings) - Marcus Harrison, DT, Arkansas
48 FALCONS - Brandon Flowers, CB, Virginia Tech
49 EAGLES - Early Doucet, WR, LSU
50 CARDINALS - Chris Johnson, RB, East Carolina
51 REDSKINS - James Hardy, WR, Indiana
52 BUCCANEERS - Donnie Avery, WR, Houston
53 STEELERS - Carl Nicks, OT, Nebraska
54 TEXANS - Phillip Wheeler, LB, Georgia Tech
55 SEAHAWKS - Fred Davis, TE, USC
56 PACKERS - Martellus Bennett, TE, Texas A&M
57 DOLPHINS - Terrell Thomas, CB, USC
58 JAGUARS - Red Bryant, DT, Texas A&M
59 COLTS - Chilo Rachal, OG, USC
60 PACKERS - Chris Ellis, DE, Virginia Tech
61 COWBOYS - Jason Jones, DE, Eastern Mich
62 PATRIOTS - Xavier Adibi, LB, Virginia Tech
63 GIANTS - Gosder Cherilus, OT, BC

64 DOLPHINS - Andre Caldwell, WR, Florida
65 COLTS (from Rams) - Cliff Avril, OLB/DE, Purdue
66 CHIEFS - Chevis Jackson, CB, LSU
67 BRONCOS (from Ravens via Panthers) - Dre Moore, DT, Maryland
68 RAIDERS (from Redskins) - Shawn Crable, LB, Michigan
69 PATRIOTS - Dajuan Morgan, safety, NC State
70 49ERS - Heath Benedict, OT, Newberry
71 BILLS - Jeremy Thompson, DE, Wake Forest
72 BILLS - Tavares Gooden, LB, Miami
73 CARDINALS (from Vikings) - Patrick Lee, CB, Auburn
74 PANTHERS - Thomas DeCoud, S, California
75 BEARS - Tony Hills, OT, Texas
76 LIONS - Geno Hayes, LB, FSU
77 BENGALS - Vince Hall, LB, Virginia Tech
78 SAINTS - Matt Forte, RB, Tulane
79 BRONCOS (from Texans) - Dexter Jackson, WR App. St
80 EAGLES - Erin Henderson, LB, Maryland
81 VIKINGS - Josh Barrett, SS, ASU
82 SAINTS (from Redskins) - Eddie Royal, WR/KR, Virginia Tech
83 BUCCANEERS - Kevin Smith, RB, Central Florida
84 BENGALS (from Redskins) - Frank Okam, DT, Texas
85 COWBOYS (from Titans) - Tashard Choice, RB, Georgia Tech
86 SEAHAWKS Ray Rice, RB, Rutgers
87 LIONS Johnathan Goff, LB Vanderbilt
88 STEELERS Jordan Dixon, LB Colorado
89 JAGUARS - Beau Bell, LB, UNLV
90 BEARS - Roy Schuening, OG, Oregon State
91 PACKERS - Jamaal Charles, RB, Texas
92 COWBOYS - Jordy Nelson, WR, Kansas State
93 REDSKINS - Paul Hubbard, WR, Wisconsin
94 PATRIOTS - Earl Bennett, WR, Vanderbilt
95 GIANTS- Wes Woodyard, OLB/SS, Kentucky

96 DOLPHINS - Brad Cottam, TE, Tennessee
97 RAMS - Mike Pollak, C, Arizona St.
98 JETS Duane Brown, OT, VT
99 FALCONS - John Greco OT, Toledo
100 VIKINGS (from Redskins) - Chad Henne, QB, Michigan
101 CHIEFS - Mike McGlynn, OG, Pittsburgh
102 RAVENS - Harry Douglas, WR, Louisville
103 49ERS - DeMario Pressley, DT, NC State
104 BRONCOS - Lavelle Hawkins, WR, California
105 PANTHERS - Peyton Hillis, RB, Arkansas
106 REDSKINS (from Saints) - Steve Justice, OC, Wake Forest
107 LIONS - Athyba Rubin, DT, Iowa St
108 BENGALS - Tom Zbikowski, S, Notre Dame
109 JETS (from Saints) - John Carlson, TE, Notre Dame
110 BILLS - Akim Millington, OL, Illinois
111 EAGLES - Andre Fluellen, DT, Florida St.
112 CARDINALS - Bruce Davis,DE, UCLA
113 VIKINGS - Kirk Barton, OT, Ohio State
114 VIKINGS (from Redskins) - Charles Godfrey, DB, Iowa
115 BRONCOS - BenJarvis Green-Ellis, RB, Ole Miss
116 BUCCANEERS - Martin Rucker, TE, Missouri
117 SEAHAWKS - DJ Hall, WR, Alabama
118 BROWNS - DeJuan Tribble, CB, Boston College
119 STEELERS - Earnest Wheelright, WR, Minnesota
120 TITANS - Steve Slaton, RB, West Virginia
121 JAGUARS - Tyrell Johnson, S, Arkansas State
122 COWBOYS - Josh Johnson, QB, San Diego
123 COLTS - Letroy Guion, DT, Florida State
124 PACKERS - Ezra Butler, LB, Nevada
125 PATRIOTS - Eric Young, G, Tennessee
126 JETS (from Giants) - Joe Flacco, QB, Delaware

127 CHIEFS - Owen Schmitt, FB, West Virginia
128 REDSKINS (from Saints) - Quentin Demps, FS, UTEP
129 FALCONS - Craig Steltz, S, LSU
130 BRONCOS - Jacob Hester, FB, LSU
131 CHIEFS - CB/KR Tyvon Branch, UConn
132 PANTHERS - Chad Rinehart, OG, Northern Iowa
133 49ERS - Adarius Bowman, WR, Oklahoma St
134 BEARS - Jerome Simpson, WR, Coastal Carolina
135 JAGUARS - Justin Forsett, RB, California
136 LIONS - Craig Stevens, TE, California
137 BENGALS - Adrian Arrington, WR, Michigan
138 SAINTS - Tommy Blake, DE, TCU
139 BILLS - Trae Williams, CB, South Florida
140 RAVENS (from Broncos) - Jameel McClain, LB, Syracuse
141 VIKINGS (from Cardinals) - Jermichael Finley, TE, Texas
142 PANTHERS (from Vikings) - Kellen Davis, TE, Michigan State
143 TEXANS - Jamar Adams, S, Michigan
144 EAGLES - Marcus Griffin, S, Texas
145 BUCCANEERS Dwight Lowery CB San Jose

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#3 : March 20, 2008, 02:52:56 PM

Would have picked Merling in the 1st.


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#4 : March 20, 2008, 02:55:39 PM

Why Rucker in the 4th or at all Yucc? Johson,Flacco and Blake would have been better picks in the 4th IMHO.

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#5 : March 20, 2008, 02:56:13 PM

Cason is not bad but Merling may be too good to pass up to form bookeneds with Gaines.


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#6 : March 20, 2008, 02:57:22 PM

Not bad job at all, not sure the bucs will take a TE with troupe, gilmore, and smith on the roster already, but you never know.

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#7 : March 20, 2008, 02:58:56 PM

I don't think cason is a bad pick tho, he fits this system amazingly and is a high character guy.  Merling isn't a bad pick, but his sports hernia is hurting his stock and the bucs may go the safe route with the first pick and not take a guy that is already having an injury

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#8 : March 20, 2008, 03:00:01 PM

Merling has health issues, The thought on Rucker is that he can help in the passing game, While Flacco or Johnson would have been the pick if I was online. I sent in a list of names to the person running the draft, while I should have numbrered them in the order i preferred I didnt and he gave me Rucker

In Football, RESPECT is never given freely by your opponent. It must be TAKEN from them...VIOLENTLY

Great players cost a lot of money but help win games. High-priced players - a byproduct of poorly run front offices with bad scouting departments - only cost a lot of money.
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#9 : March 20, 2008, 03:10:37 PM

I would have been all over Chris Williams. No way you can go 5 rounds without a single player with his hand on the gorund.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#10 : March 20, 2008, 03:15:47 PM

are you a loser because you participated in a mock draft? is your idol mel kiper? seriously, whats wrong with you? take a step back and look at your life. you are doing mock drafts for what purpose? are you gonna fax jon gruden your results?

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#11 : March 20, 2008, 03:41:37 PM

not bad...if the draft went that way, I would have selected...

1st round-DE Phillip Merling, Clemson
-We didn't really do anything to improve our pass rush on the defensive line.  Adding Douglas was good for run stopping, but the Bucs will address the defensive line in the draft and Merling would be a nice compliment to Adams, not to mention White, Carter, and Douglas mixing in.

2nd round- [Trade our 2nd(52 overall-380 pts), 4th round(116th overall-62 pts), and QB Chris Simms for Viking's 2nd(43rd overall-470 points) and 6th round(173rd overall-22 pts)]
Selection: QB Brian Brohm, Louisville

-I believe Brohm is the best QB in this draft and could be the answers to our prayers.  He was a projected late first round pick and if he drops this far, I think the Bucs have to make a move to get him.  I don't believe that McCown is the answer and see him fairing no better then Simms or Grads did.  Garcia is the man, but at 38 years old, he doesnt have many years left and both he and Griese would be good mentors to Brohm.
-I believe the Vikings would do this trade as they acquire an extra pick along with a possible QB answer by moving down just 9 selections.  Simms may be done here, but Brad Childress may see something he likes to resurrect the young QBs career.


3rd round-DT Frank Okam, Texas
-The Bucs shyed away from going after a DT after the re-signing of Haye, but I still think they will look for a guy to mix in with Haye and Hovan.  I think Sims and Peterson will battle each other for the final DT spot, but I believe Okam at 347 lbs could be a good clog in the middle.


TRADE: QB Luke McCown to Baltimore for their 5th round pick 140th overall
Selection: OT Barry Richardson, Clemson

-With the drafting of Brohm along with Garcia and Griese ahead of him on the depth chart, McCown becomes expandable.  We select the 6 foot 7 tackle as depth for this year, but he could suprise and complete our youthful offensive line project.  I know many don't want to part ways with McCown, but having 4 QBs does us nothing.  By Baltimore getting McCown, they could provide competition and makes McNair's salary expandable.


5th round-CB Dwight Lowery, San Jose
-I agree with that pick.  Good value there and the Bucs need CB security with Bucchanon, Wilson, and Davis all having expiring contracts next off-season.  Lowery wouldn't get much playing time this season and could end up like Alan Zemeitis, but the Bucs can't pass this value up.


6th round(acquired from Minnesota)-RB Anthony Alridge, Houston
-He's a small back, but he's quick and could be a possible answer to our kick returning troubles.  He won't take carries away from Graham, Dunn, Bennett, or even Caddy; but he will be a body in camp that could make the team as the returner.


So in review:
1. DE Phillip Merling, Clemson
2. QB Brian Brohm, Louisville
3. DT Frank Okam
5. OT Barry Richardson, Clemson
5. CB Dwight Lowery, San Jose
6. RB Anthony Alridge, Houston

I think all of the players, with exception to Alridge would make the team.  I can even see him making it as a KR, but I think that would be a good draft.


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#12 : March 20, 2008, 03:44:14 PM

Bada where are the playmakers on O?

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#13 : March 20, 2008, 03:49:01 PM

well 1VA Bucs Fan...you won't really find playmakers on offense in the draft.  I dont think we will draft an RB or TE due to the depth we have there, so I guess your talking about WR.  The only WR i like in this draft is WR Devin Thomas.  I was originally thinking of trading up for him, but we'd have to give up a 3rd and I wouldn't do that.  As for DeSean Jackson, not a big fan of drafting that high for basically a kick returner.  I dont mind Limas Sweed but he's gobbled up at 14.  Devin Thomas is the only guy I'd like, but I wouldn't trade a 3rd to get him.

We'll have to sign another vet WR.  Honestly a 3rd round WR or 4th round WR would not put the production up that Michael Clayton has done the past few years, so unless we get them in the 1st; which is too risky in my opinion, we might as well go with what we got or add a guy like WR Darrell Jackson or maybe our guy WR Keyshawn Johnson..

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#14 : March 20, 2008, 04:04:37 PM

Bucsfan8899, while you are new to the boards, I will just leave what you say alone until you get wet behind the ears and leave it at that.

In Football, RESPECT is never given freely by your opponent. It must be TAKEN from them...VIOLENTLY

Great players cost a lot of money but help win games. High-priced players - a byproduct of poorly run front offices with bad scouting departments - only cost a lot of money.
"Our greatest glory consists not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall."
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