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#30 : March 29, 2008, 11:57:00 AM

Hey, I agree. There are a lot of clueless voters in this country who voted for Huckabee because
he was a good Christian man. LOL. Sounds very similar to Bush except Huckabee was a one
trick pony. At least Bush other ammo in his repertoire. Even if it consisted of hollow promises.

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#31 : March 29, 2008, 12:37:02 PM

How does being a Navy Seal grunt, WWE wrestler, and actor qualify anyone for being President of the United States.

Considering the job that most career poltician Presidents have done over the past 20 years or so, he couldn't do much worse ...

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#32 : March 29, 2008, 12:52:56 PM

Could be that the Holloway case was all over the news because she was AMERICAN! The examples he brings up were not! Talk about double standards, imagine if McCain's white pastor made these comments about blacks, he would have already had to drop out and would be crucified by the media!

I'm pretty comfortable in saying that during all the hubub about Holloway there were numerous non-white AMERICAN women who disappeared under mysterious circumstances that we never heard about .... Nice try, though.

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#33 : March 29, 2008, 02:20:40 PM

I'm pretty comfortable in saying that during all the hubub about Holloway there were numerous non-white AMERICAN women who disappeared under mysterious circumstances that we never heard about .... Nice try, though.

I'm pretty comfortable in saying there were also plenty of white women who disappeared during that "hubub" too. 

The infatuation over the Holloway case was ridiculous, but to say it was because she was white is ridiculous IMO.



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#34 : March 29, 2008, 03:22:18 PM

NH is/was white, from a well off area of the country and an young, attractive female. You need to be at least two
of those things to get that kind of (massive) publicity. White and attractive female are the top two/three, IMO.
I feel pretty comfortable about that. Men and elderly are at the bottom of the list. Especially black or minority
men and black/minority elderly folks.

How many missing black/minority women have had anything close to that kind of attention in the media?

Good article on this subject...

http://lifestyle.msn.com/specialguides/article.aspx?cp-documentid=5289082&GT1=10323

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If you are kidnapped or missing, it helps to be the right race, age, social class and gender. Otherwise, don't expect the media to cover your story.

"Sex sells, kidnapping sells, but not every kidnapping is equal," says Roy Peter Clark, vice president and senior scholar at the Poynter Institute, a training center for journalists in St. Petersburg, Fla.

Kelly Bennett, a case manager for the National Center for Missing Adults, agrees. "Unless it's a pretty girl ages 20 to 35, the media exposure is just not there," she says. The most highly profiled missing persons cases in recent years have fit into this category: Chandra Levy, Laci Peterson, Jessie Marie Davis. All of these women were also white.

What about Stepha Henry, a 22-year-old black woman who disappeared while on vacation in Florida in May?

Her case has gotten some media attention, but her face and story haven't received the same relentless level of coverage as those of other missing young women.

"It's very disheartening because it sends a message that we are not valued as much as white citizens are," says Georgia Goslee, the attorney for Stepha's mother, Sylvia.

Henry's case, however, has not been taken up by the media with the same fervor as that of Jessie Marie Davis - a 26-year-old pregnant white woman who disappeared from her Canton, Ohio, home in mid-June - about two weeks after Henry was reported missing. Media coverage of Davis' disappearance was nonstop. TV stations nationwide, as well as newspapers and magazines, followed the case closely. Thousands of people volunteered to search for her.

The disparity in exposure for the two cases is evident on the Web, too. A Live.com news search on Davis returns almost 20 times the results of a search on Henry.

There even seems to be a difference in reward money. The FBI offered $10,000 for information on Davis. Currently, there is a $6,000 reward for information to help find Henry, but that sum came from donations. Henry's family contributed $4,000; Crime Stoppers offered $1,000; and another $1,000 was donated by a family friend.


Why does Stepha Henry get less coverage than Jessie Davis?

"The answer is pure unconscious racism," says the Poynter Institute's Clark. "But it's not just race. It's also social class and gender."

If a missing person is white, female, young, attractive and has an upper-middle-class background, media coverage of her case will be far more thorough than coverage of missing men, minorities or the elderly, Clark says.

"This taps in to a sort of ancient fairy-tale mentality: the kidnapped princess, the damsel in distress."

More at the link...

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#35 : March 29, 2008, 05:27:46 PM

Nope.

Name a black/minority over the years that has received anything close to the coverage that NH has received.

Then go look for white, young, attractive women who were missing and look at the coverage they received.

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#36 : March 29, 2008, 06:00:01 PM

Name a black/minority over the years that has received anything close to the coverage that NH has received.

Name me a wealthy, high-society black woman who was abducted/missing that didn't receive the attention.

One other thing I disagree with you about...NH was NOT attractive, IMO.  ;)



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#37 : March 29, 2008, 06:47:57 PM

Status in society is a big factor. But race is just as big. You disagree?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3898158

Why does one missing woman get all the attention while another woman's story becomes a buried headline?

Jackson, Miss., Police Chief Malcolm McMillin, who has been heading a search over the past eight days for 20-year-old Latasha Norman, thinks he knows one reason why.

"As far as the interest by the national media in the story, I think race probably had an impact," the police chief said.

Norman, who is an honors student at Jackson State University, is black.

"It's a small college in the South. It's the daughter of simple people who maybe are not important outside of their circle, and maybe we don't attach the same importance to them that we do for other people," said McMillin, who is white.

The chief contrasted the lack of publicity over the Norman search to the widespread coverage of Stacy Peterson's disappearance. Peterson, who is white, is the 23-year-old wife of former Illinois cop Drew Peterson who vanished in late October. The media glare on the Peterson case has prompted police to reopen the criminal investigation into the death of Drew Peterson's third wife.

"We're looking for the media to give this case as much exposure as it can so that we can develop some leads," McMillin said.

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#38 : March 29, 2008, 06:54:34 PM

This part of the story was not part of the original story that I posted above...

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Still, not every young, white, pretty woman who goes missing gets the 24-hour cable-news treatment.

"It's as much about class as it is about race," says Ovalle, the Miami Herald reporter. "I have a stack of cases of missing white girls on my desk that nobody cares about" because they were doing drugs or working as prostitutes, he says.

Having a shady background takes a missing person off the media-coverage map because "it pulls them out from the underpinnings of class," Clark says. "Class is not just economic status but a set of behaviors. Someone who is courteous, who went to college" is someone viewers and readers can identify with.


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#39 : March 29, 2008, 07:37:22 PM

Status in society is a big factor. But race is just as big. You disagree?

Yes I disagree.  I don't believe that if a high-profile black woman went missing, it wouldn't be just as big a news story.  I must be in the minority reading most of the articles you posted...but, those were just those people's opinions as well.

Which is more likely to happen, in your opinion, Joe?

A high-profile, pregnant black woman goes missing and the media doesn't cover it.

or

A low-class white, pregnant woman goes missing and gets lots of media coverage.



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#40 : March 29, 2008, 07:45:12 PM

I think of Oprah were upducted, it would be all over the news.........

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#41 : March 29, 2008, 09:16:07 PM

I think of Oprah were upducted, it would be all over the news.........
It's ABDUCTED and yes because she's famous and a billionaire.

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#42 : March 29, 2008, 10:26:23 PM

I think of Oprah were upducted, it would be all over the news.........
It's ABDUCTED and yes because she's famous and a billionaire.

I agree .......... but that has no correlation to the Holloway case. She wasn't high profile.

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#43 : March 29, 2008, 11:15:57 PM

Don't know.

BTW, my last post/quote supported your theory. Might want to read it again.

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#44 : March 30, 2008, 09:30:13 AM

BTW, my last post/quote supported your theory. Might want to read it again.

I read it.  That's why I said "most of the articles you posted."


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