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#15 : December 08, 2006, 08:18:50 AM

Gruden and Hackett are wonderful QB gurus regardless of what anyone wants to say

I'd like to know what you are basing that on.

And as for Vick here, I'll pass on that one.

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#16 : December 08, 2006, 08:37:43 AM

In his defense, he wins games.  I mean, who does he have who would constitute as a legit offensive threat other than Crumpler and sometimes Dunn?  I think he would be an awful fit for the system that we have been running, but I think could win some games.  Having said that, it won't happen. 



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#17 : December 08, 2006, 08:46:39 AM

No.  I would prefer Gino Torretta.

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#18 : December 08, 2006, 08:48:13 AM

In his defense, he wins games.  I mean, who does he have who would constitute as a legit offensive threat other than Crumpler and sometimes Dunn?  I think he would be an awful fit for the system that we have been running, but I think could win some games.  Having said that, it won't happen. 

he wins games? What about the 53 players? I hate that shlt. Oh and he's 8-12 over the past 20 games so he doesn't really win games does he?

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#19 : December 08, 2006, 09:33:59 AM

In a heart beat. He gives you the downfield strikes of Simms combined with the mobility of Grads and he's a playmaker on top of it all. Is he the greatest QB, no...is he the worst no. Overhyped? Yes, but that doesn't mean he isn't a good player. He didn't create the hype, the media did.

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#20 : December 08, 2006, 09:40:56 AM

He gives you bad passing, a bloated contract, poor discipline and oh yeah, he doesn't just "win games" anymore. Hey, Kyle Orton just "won games" as well last year how's he doing? Plus, he's proven he can't handle the WCO because he's about as sharp as a bowling ball.

I'm glad ATL is hitched to that boat anchor and I'd bet if you polled that staff about Vick they'd all want him gone.


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#21 : December 08, 2006, 09:53:40 AM

NO.....

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#22 : December 08, 2006, 11:20:30 AM

WTF? hell no




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#23 : December 08, 2006, 12:21:42 PM

It would be a disaster, hell no. He's one of the most overrated, overpaid players in the history of the NFL.
My thoughts exactly.

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#24 : December 08, 2006, 12:23:28 PM

Mike Vick is a glorified running back attempting to play QB. It works in the college ranks, not so good in the pros. Atlanta will never win anything with Vick at QB. Schaub is 10 times the QB Vick is. Would I want Vick in Tampa? No way, he would run up the cap, and we need other pieces - we already have a running back.

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#25 : December 08, 2006, 12:26:37 PM

Would I want Vick as the QB?  Depends on how you use him.  If used properly he can help a team win.  As far as his intelligence is concerened it is a lot higher than people give credit for.  I doubt we are talking Daunte Culpepper level.  As far as character off the field is concerned he does a good job of keeping his wife and kids out of the spotlight and the media as they are all over him.  He also does many good things off the field.   Simms and Gradkowski did not exactly blow people away with their wonderlics.  And the only QB with a fantastic wonderlic that has played in the Gulf Coast offense is Griese (enough said) but I am not sure of Brad's.

My hesistation with Vick is his leadership abilities and when a team hits rocky waters how he responds.  So far he has not responded all to well to adversitiy.  Then again it the last two years is the first time he probably has experienced adversity and difficulty.  A lot of times people that experience early success have a hard time adjusting later to what many experience before reaching the summit (struggles).  In a lot of ways Vick is struggling just like Gruden do to early success and does not know how to adjust.

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#26 : December 08, 2006, 12:29:03 PM

I would love Vick on the team if he was cheap, as I think he could break the KR curse and run back touchdowns all day.  No way would I take him at QB, and no way I go anywhere near his current salary.


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#27 : December 08, 2006, 12:38:26 PM

He's got all the physical tools you can ask for, but he's never struck me as the sharpest tool in the shed.

So no, not with Grudens' complicated playbook..

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#28 : December 08, 2006, 12:51:50 PM

In an offense that predicates itself on short timing passes and having a QB that can read defenses, no I do not want Vick in Pewter. Remember, this is the guy they won't let call audibles against defenses.

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#29 : December 08, 2006, 12:52:57 PM

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