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[ABuccs Fan]

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/videos/108/the-violent-oppression-of-women-in-islam/

[The White Tiger]

The Military exposed Abu Grhaib prior to the press picking up the story. All the mainstream media types did was re-print what the military had already made public. The mainstream media let the story lie for several months (nearly a year) and then splashed it across the headlines as if they broke the story. We have an all volunteer military. They will and do not bury the truth. They expose it and we deal with it. Unfortunately our media is filled with left leaning folks looking to even the score at any cost with the Whitehouse they feel they are diametrically opposed to.

We are using this war in a political way to allow the left to gain politically. This war MUST be fought, and we should all know that. I appreciate all those who serve and the service they provide.

[ufojoe]

ufojoe, I despise people like you. I'm sure you would have a completely different opinion had you lost a loved one, a brother, sister, Mother or Father...or GOD forbid a child in the WTC attacks or any other terrorist attacks. Sleep well at night knowing your country is protecting you, and you have nothing good to say about it.

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamic-mein-kampf/

I don't despise anybody. Not even you. It's just not an emotion I have much any more if
despising can be labeled an emotion.

I feel compassion and frustration. But even the frustration is going away. There's only so much
one can say about a subject such as Iraq and I won't say it again because everybody knows
where I stand.

I have always been impressed at what the majority of these soldiers do. Do I feel they are being used
and do I feel we shouldn't be in Iraq? Yes. Do I feel that the majority of soldiers feel that they
are fighting for our freedom? Yes. Do I feel that they are fighting for our freedom? No. I think
oil plays a huge role and it was the main reason we are there. Of course, it's not working.
Or is it?

"Of course it's about oil, we can't really deny that..."

~Retired General John Abizaid speaking about Iraq in October in 2007.

Source: http://daily.stanford.edu/article/2007/10/15/roundtableDebatesEnergyIss

[The White Tiger]

Oil, yes. The enemy knows the strategic significance of oil to the world. They have also been using oil profits to fund there efforts to kill us.

There exist those that think war is not a reasonable response to, anything. There are those that are working in this country and the world to eliminate war as an option in any retaliatory response. They believe they are working for peace and peace at all costs. They are naive idealists and they are part of this tragedy. They are stopping the medicine from being applied because it tastes bad.

And ABuccs - I don't feel that the people of Iraq are "unfortunate" for what you and others like you are doing. They are free and they are free to establish their own country. One they can build any way they wish. Democracy is messy and sometimes they are very much like children - they may fall down and they may actually get hurt - but they can get back up and start over. They cannot do this if they have an evil neighbor bent on their destruction. You are the watchmen ensuring the evildoers cannot unfairly or unduly influence the childs development.

This is not about our interest in their oil. If it were we would all have cheap oil...no it is about the bad guys interest in oil. Oil is money, money is power. We already have it - they would do anything to gain parity.

This war is not about our attaining power - it is about their attainment of it - the evil ones are determined to do all they can to gain victory. We must be of the same mind or we should come home. Perhaps those that want to turn and run now will fight better from their own front yards?

[ufojoe]

There exist those that think war is not a reasonable response to, anything. There are those that are working in this country and the world to eliminate war as an option in any retaliatory response. They believe they are working for peace and peace at all costs. They are naive idealists and they are part of this tragedy. They are stopping the medicine from being applied because it tastes bad.
Perhaps those that want to turn and run now will fight better from their own front yards?

I don't know anybody who wants peace at any cost. The people I know (Rs and Ds) only want war when it is the
last resort or when it's self defense. Pre-emptive war? No.

Saw Jesse speak today. He put it best when he said that going to war is an easy decision. If you are a leader or
member of Congress, all you have to do is ask yourself this question: Am I willing to send my son to Iraq
(or wherever) to fight in this war? If the answer is yes, then it's an easy decision to go to war.

How many of our Reps have sons, daughters or close relatives in Iraq or Afghanistan? A few dozen?
You think Bush or Cheney would have sent their daughters to Iraq if they were enlisted at the time?

[The White Tiger]

Silly reasoning. I guess it seems easy to lead the free world when you play a soldier slaughtered by an alien or when you prance around a stage pumped up on steroids grappling with other fakers.

I do see the attraction for you though, joe. Doesn't Jesse also believe that 9/11 was a US government conspiracy...?

No thanks - you were safer supporting Pat Paulson...er...I mean Ron Paul...

[ufojoe]

What did you think of Jesse's book? Didn't read it? That's what I thought. You speak out of
ignorance.

Jesse questions 9/11 and I have the same questions as him. And I really don't give a crap if
you or anybody else thinks it's crazy. At least we can examine the 911 evidence. Unlike your
"evidence," of Jesus.

So you don't support Jesse (who's not running) or Ron Paul? So who do you support? Which
politician for president? Nobody fits your perfect requirements?

Jesse said that organized religion is a crutch for weak minded people. Maybe that hit a nerve
with you. I think Jesse was dead on with that comment and I'm glad he speaks his mind
on everything. Unlike 99% of politicians.

[Boid Fink]

What did you think of Jesse's book? Didn't read it? That's what I thought. You speak out of
ignorance.

Jesse questions 9/11 and I have the same questions as him. And I really don't give a crap if
you or anybody else thinks it's crazy. At least we can examine the 911 evidence. Unlike your
"evidence," of Jesus.

So you don't support Jesse (who's not running) or Ron Paul? So who do you support? Which
politician for president? Nobody fits your perfect requirements?

Jesse said that organized religion is a crutch for weak minded people. Maybe that hit a nerve
with you. I think Jesse was dead on with that comment and I'm glad he speaks his mind
on everything. Unlike 99% of politicians.

Speaking your mind all the time is not so good all the time. 

As a politician, we understand what we are in for...the guy may have a heart of gold, but in order to feed his family the best way he/she knows how, they have to talk using a alternate path.  It can;t come directly from the brain, to the mouth.  The filters have to be running.  The organized religion comment is ignorant.  Anyone who lumps all organized religion into a ball and calls them weak minded is pretty much a dumbarse, if you ask me...and I am not really into any organized religion.

I believe a better thing lies ahead, but you have to earn it in this life.

As far as evidence of Jesus...I truly believed he existed.  BUt as the son of God?  Maybe not.  Maybe, but maybe not.

If Jesse Jackson existed back in the day, would he be considered a Jesus?  Ghandi is about as close to a prophet as I have read about in the 20th century...would he be a son of God?

Son of God we all are, according to the bible.

But organized religion is a form of therapy that you don;t have to pay for for millions.  It keeps people in check, and allows for them to be better humans, to set aside their worse behavior in lieu of an eternal punishment.  Which might exist.

I mean, if oyu believe in Aliens, you have to believe in God.  If not, why?

[The White Tiger]

Which book? "Don't start the Revolution ..."?

Actually I don't like Jesse because he's a loud mouthed fake. I think Jesse ran an off beat campaign of self aggrandizement and accidentally ended up as governer. He bactracked on his religion comment - even claimed he "more or less" agreed with some of it, what ever that meant.

The reason I don't like him are legion. The reason he's not on my list is - he told the press he isn't interested. If Jesse couldn't take the public scrutiny of his private life as governor, he really won't like the presidency.

This is a quote from an article on him from The Nation, reporter Micah Sifry:  "...Like Ross Perot before him, Jesse Ventura momentarily captured the public imagination with the prospect of a fundamental reshaping of the political order. But neither man wanted to the heavy lifting needed to achieve that goal--and in fairness to both of them, a new political party built solely around their star power (or billions) could not succeed."

He isn't real, and when the going got tough - he got going.

Examine evidence? When you do examine the evidence from 9-11 - does it support your pre-conceived notions or does it just yeild you more questions? More searches?

Interesting point Boid - kind of like believing in rockets but not in astronauts...

[ufojoe]

The organized religion comment is ignorant.  Anyone who lumps all organized religion into a ball and calls them weak minded is pretty much a dumbarse, if you ask me...and I am not really into any organized religion.

Yeah, I should have avoided that one. But as Buc noted, Jesse backtracked on that one.

I believe a better thing lies ahead, but you have to earn it in this life.

I think you have to "earn" it but it's not anything like you think it is. IMO. You need to
get into what some of the esoteric writings suggest and what the mystery schools
were teaching. It's not about deeds. But good deeds are always good for us. Make
us feel good and helps others.

As far as evidence of Jesus...I truly believed he existed.  BUt as the son of God?  Maybe not. 
Maybe, but maybe not.

I wasn't there so I cannot say he existed. The records are scant. Son of God? No. Sun of God?
Yes. At least the church version of Jesus. I think he DID exist but not 100% sure. I want
to see more work on the Talpiot tomb.

Son of God we all are, according to the bible.

Bingo, Boid. But Christians won't accept that. "That's not what he meant!" they will tell you.

But organized religion is a form of therapy that you don;t have to pay for for millions.  It keeps people in check, and allows for them to be better humans, to set aside their worse behavior in lieu of an eternal punishment.  Which might exist.

Sorry but even if it keeps some people in check, it doesn't excuse teaching something that is not
true. And IMO, the TOP leaders of the churches know the truth. They're no dummies.

Eternal punishment? Sorry, but the fear card doesn't work for me and it shouldn't be used to make
people believe something. According to most hardcore Christians, your comments about Jesus
might not being the SoG or all of us being the SoG are grounds for damnation. You and I
Boid. Together in hellish hell. And it's hotter than Tampa!

I mean, if oyu believe in Aliens, you have to believe in God.  If not, why?

God/Creator and Jesus are two totally separate things as I have stated numerous times.
Creator? Hell yes. IMO. Jesus as SoG? IMO, no.

And I do not BELIEVE in aliens. I believe there is somebody else. I do not know who they are
or where they come from. I only have theories unsupported by hard facts.

By the way, Buc, do you know why Jesse didn't go for another term? Besides being frustrated
by the Ds and Rs joining forces to oppose him, his main reason was his wife being sick. But
you would have known that if you had read his book or listened/watched the King interview
that I linked to.

[dr3z]

Please, please, PLEASE stop calling Iraq a war, its a police mission.
Were not sending our troops to war, they are there now to stabilize the country.
People calling it a war are drama queens and want to over hype the situation for thier
own gain. Maybe at first it was a war.......MAYBE. But its not.

Dont give me this would you send your son and daughter to war crap. THEY signed the dotten line,
no one put a gun to those sons and daughters heads. They swore to protect and defend.
So your sending proud fighting men and women to do exactly what they joined the MILITARY TO DO!
Its not just a way to get free college, you have to contribute.

Sons and daughters.................now thats funny.

[Morgan]

The majority of soldiers are in the support position. They didn't join the military to shoot or be shot at - or die from an IED blast. They joined to be medical specialists, air traffic controllers, vet technicians, petroleum oil handlers, truck drivers, mechanics. 

Your view of soldiers is overly simplistic.

[ABuccs Fan]

Please, please, PLEASE stop calling Iraq a war, its a police mission.
Were not sending our troops to war, they are there now to stabilize the country.
People calling it a war are drama queens and want to over hype the situation for thier
own gain. Maybe at first it was a war.......MAYBE. But its not.

WOW. Did someone just actually take the time to type this and click "post"

[keeponbucn]

I mean, if oyu believe in Aliens, you have to believe in God. If not, why?

Well the notion that something the size of the universe has other life form isn't really a stretch. The notion that some guy is running the show is much more tough to grasp.

Jesus was the old school David Blaine, he was basically a street magician. Adam and Eve were pounding each other, hell, they probably made a porn with hieroglyphics.

[Biggs3535]

I mean, if oyu believe in Aliens, you have to believe in God. If not, why?

Well the notion that something the size of the universe has other life form isn't really a stretch. The notion that some guy is running the show is much more tough to grasp.

Jesus was the old school David Blaine, he was basically a street magician. Adam and Eve were pounding each other, hell, they probably made a porn with hieroglyphics.

I wish I was smart.