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#15 : December 10, 2006, 09:11:50 AM

By the way, this is Grudens team he has HIS guys in place.
Three rookies are HIS guys. Do you think you just take college players, add water and stir?


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#16 : December 10, 2006, 09:13:12 AM

By the way, this is Grudens team he has HIS guys in place.
Three rookies are HIS guys. Do you think you just take college players, add water and stir?
Williams is a rookie? Michael Clayton is a rookie? Jermain Phillips is a rookie? Will Allen is a rookie? Torrie Cox.. the list goes on.


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#17 : December 10, 2006, 09:35:41 AM

You have a sprinking of vets in Galloway, Wade, Becht.

My problem Itch is that the veterans on offense are playing worse than the young guys.  This is what really irks me. I can forgive the young players if they make a mistake.  But the veterans making mistakes just makes me pull out my hair.

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#18 : December 10, 2006, 09:54:57 AM

It's all about talent at this point, not coaching.


Coaching is what seperates teams in the NFL salary cap era that creates parity becuase the talent is watered down and spread amongst teams.

Even the best teams currently do not have a huge gap in talent level compared to the losing teams. People tend to equate winning teams = lots of talent and losing teams = little talent. That is far from the truth. Only teams in recent years you could say that definatively were the 49ers and Titans both losing teams. The most succesfull team in the last few years in the salary cap era (Patriots) do not have a huge talent gap compared to other teams. Both the Titans and 49ers teams that have undergone two rebuilding periods within a decade that led to the severe lack of talent.

All the other losing teams in the last few years have had the talent to compete compared to the winning teams. And the cream of the crop is up there not becuase of simply having superior talent.
ADW,
Based on this then you think it is time for a COMPLETE coaching change.....right?  If the talent levels are all the same and coaching is the difference, then Monte and the defensive staff needs to be totally changed out as well.  Right?  You can't say to change JG and not change the other coaches if you think that the talent levels are almost the same and that coaching makes the difference.

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2.  For some it would be better if they remained silent and be thought a fool than to speak and erase all doubt.

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#19 : December 10, 2006, 09:55:27 AM

No they aren't all rookies.  But you have three rookies in the starting offense.  And Williams and Clayton and others are second and third year guys.  It has to be the youngest offense in the league.  No its not an all-rookie team, but your QB is a rookie and the right side of your O-line are rookies.  Davis is in his 2nd year of active duty.  You have young guys Caddy, Clayton, Stovall, Terry, Smith all playing roles. You have a sprinking of vets in Galloway, Wade, Becht.

But if you know about football you know that you can't expect O-line players to dominate from the minute they step into the lineup. That seems to be your contention so take your conclusion from that.

No.. my problem is not with the Offensive line, but it seems as though each week every young player is getting worse. We are going backwards, not forwards.


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#20 : December 10, 2006, 10:01:48 AM

It's all about talent at this point, not coaching.


Coaching is what seperates teams in the NFL salary cap era that creates parity becuase the talent is watered down and spread amongst teams.

Even the best teams currently do not have a huge gap in talent level compared to the losing teams. People tend to equate winning teams = lots of talent and losing teams = little talent. That is far from the truth. Only teams in recent years you could say that definatively were the 49ers and Titans both losing teams. The most succesfull team in the last few years in the salary cap era (Patriots) do not have a huge talent gap compared to other teams. Both the Titans and 49ers teams that have undergone two rebuilding periods within a decade that led to the severe lack of talent.

All the other losing teams in the last few years have had the talent to compete compared to the winning teams. And the cream of the crop is up there not becuase of simply having superior talent.
ADW,
Based on this then you think it is time for a COMPLETE coaching change.....right?  If the talent levels are all the same and coaching is the difference, then Monte and the defensive staff needs to be totally changed out as well.  Right?  You can't say to change JG and not change the other coaches if you think that the talent levels are almost the same and that coaching makes the difference.

The talent levels on offense compared to the defense are not the same (experience the defense has the edge on).  And to argue otherwise makes no logical sense.  But if a new head coach comes in it does not guarantee Monte and the defensive staff that they stay.  Most likely a new head coach will want his own defensive coaches in place.

To answer you question coaching has been questionable this year on offense, defense, and special teams which ultimately points back to the head coach.

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#21 : December 10, 2006, 10:57:36 AM

It's all about talent at this point, not coaching.


Coaching is what seperates teams in the NFL salary cap era that creates parity becuase the talent is watered down and spread amongst teams.

Even the best teams currently do not have a huge gap in talent level compared to the losing teams. People tend to equate winning teams = lots of talent and losing teams = little talent. That is far from the truth. Only teams in recent years you could say that definatively were the 49ers and Titans both losing teams. The most succesfull team in the last few years in the salary cap era (Patriots) do not have a huge talent gap compared to other teams. Both the Titans and 49ers teams that have undergone two rebuilding periods within a decade that led to the severe lack of talent.

All the other losing teams in the last few years have had the talent to compete compared to the winning teams. And the cream of the crop is up there not becuase of simply having superior talent.
ADW,
Based on this then you think it is time for a COMPLETE coaching change.....right? If the talent levels are all the same and coaching is the difference, then Monte and the defensive staff needs to be totally changed out as well. Right? You can't say to change JG and not change the other coaches if you think that the talent levels are almost the same and that coaching makes the difference.

The talent levels on offense compared to the defense are not the same (experience the defense has the edge on). And to argue otherwise makes no logical sense. But if a new head coach comes in it does not guarantee Monte and the defensive staff that they stay. Most likely a new head coach will want his own defensive coaches in place.

To answer you question coaching has been questionable this year on offense, defense, and special teams which ultimately points back to the head coach.
So you want a COMPLETE house cleaning and bring in a totally new coaching staff.......yes or no?

Truths:
1.  Never have an argument with an idiot.  They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with their experience.
2.  For some it would be better if they remained silent and be thought a fool than to speak and erase all doubt.

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#22 : December 10, 2006, 11:06:07 AM

It's all about talent at this point, not coaching.


Coaching is what seperates teams in the NFL salary cap era that creates parity becuase the talent is watered down and spread amongst teams.

Even the best teams currently do not have a huge gap in talent level compared to the losing teams. People tend to equate winning teams = lots of talent and losing teams = little talent. That is far from the truth. Only teams in recent years you could say that definatively were the 49ers and Titans both losing teams. The most succesfull team in the last few years in the salary cap era (Patriots) do not have a huge talent gap compared to other teams. Both the Titans and 49ers teams that have undergone two rebuilding periods within a decade that led to the severe lack of talent.

All the other losing teams in the last few years have had the talent to compete compared to the winning teams. And the cream of the crop is up there not becuase of simply having superior talent.
ADW,
Based on this then you think it is time for a COMPLETE coaching change.....right? If the talent levels are all the same and coaching is the difference, then Monte and the defensive staff needs to be totally changed out as well. Right? You can't say to change JG and not change the other coaches if you think that the talent levels are almost the same and that coaching makes the difference.

The talent levels on offense compared to the defense are not the same (experience the defense has the edge on). And to argue otherwise makes no logical sense. But if a new head coach comes in it does not guarantee Monte and the defensive staff that they stay. Most likely a new head coach will want his own defensive coaches in place.

To answer you question coaching has been questionable this year on offense, defense, and special teams which ultimately points back to the head coach.
So you want a COMPLETE house cleaning and bring in a totally new coaching staff.......yes or no?

A new head coach means a complete house cleaning.  So yes.

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#23 : December 10, 2006, 11:15:45 AM

No they aren't all rookies. But you have three rookies in the starting offense. And Williams and Clayton and others are second and third year guys. It has to be the youngest offense in the league. No its not an all-rookie team, but your QB is a rookie and the right side of your O-line are rookies. Davis is in his 2nd year of active duty. You have young guys Caddy, Clayton, Stovall, Terry, Smith all playing roles. You have a sprinking of vets in Galloway, Wade, Becht.

But if you know about football you know that you can't expect O-line players to dominate from the minute they step into the lineup. That seems to be your contention so take your conclusion from that.

No.. my problem is not with the Offensive line, but it seems as though each week every young player is getting worse. We are going backwards, not forwards.
The offensive line is pretty much the key to everything else in the offense.    Yes you have dropped balls and turnovers and everything else. But in the long run it all comes down to the O-line. 


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#24 : December 10, 2006, 11:37:55 AM

Then I ask, who is responsible for the offensive line?

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