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#15 : April 18, 2008, 08:37:21 PM

Josh Johnson will not be taken by ANYONE in the 1st round, in my opinion.

.....just my opinion

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#16 : April 19, 2008, 03:39:22 AM

If you want the guy and think hes the future of your team at that position, and your not sure your going to get him at 51 and you cant find a trade partner..

This seems to be most prevalent with QBs.

Not regarding this to any player or position, but I hate the term "reach". If you want a guy and its your turn to pick, and you're pretty sure he won't be there the next time you pick, you take him. No player is a "reach" if the coach really wants him. J. Allen and A. Samuel were both 4th rounders but in retrospect should have been top 10 picks. Everyone would have laughed if Brady was taken first overall, but if teams knew then what they know now he would have been.

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#17 : April 19, 2008, 03:45:41 AM

With Dunn, Bennett, Graham and Caddy, RB will not be addressed in the first 3 rounds.

Maybe a Matt Forte or Tashard Choice in the 4th at the most.

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#18 : April 19, 2008, 03:46:56 AM

If you want the guy and think hes the future of your team at that position, and your not sure your going to get him at 51 and you cant find a trade partner..

This seems to be most prevalent with QBs.

If you think Josh Johnson will be taken in the 1st or 2nd, you are a moron.

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#19 : April 19, 2008, 09:27:09 AM

With Dunn, Bennett, Graham and Caddy, RB will not be addressed in the first 3 rounds.

Maybe a Matt Forte or Tashard Choice in the 4th at the most.
Caddy will probably be PUPed or IRed or whatever.  And don't put it past Allen and Gruden to draft a RB simply to give Graham less leverage.  Lets face it Graham does what he does well. But nobody waved a magic wand over him and made him a great player.  He deserves a good pay raise, but the Bucs would be wrong to start giving him part ownership of the team.  Come on. It could get ugly, and Allen doesn't play.  He won't be held hostage by an agent.

Bennett and Dunn are not full time backs, so I see the Bucs spending a 1st day pick to beef up the RBC. 


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#20 : April 19, 2008, 10:43:11 AM

So QB won't contribute in year one, but drafting a CB who will be fourth on the depth chart will? ???

Grooming a CB for a year is a wise investment to prepare for when Barber isn't here, but grooming a QB for an entire year instead of forcing him into service is a bad idea? :-

I'll never understand the argument of "This guy MUST produce season 1 for us".  There are just some positions on this team that will be forced into the depth chart by the people ahead of them.

What position has a shot of starting on this team, this year?  Not CB.  Not Safety.  Not LB.  Any DL position is going to be a rotational player.

Offensive line seems pretty set, though maybe a top flight LT prospect can come in an unseat a Vet.  But clearly no one is starting ahead of the other four.

We've already written off QB (which I'll gladly do, but I've always wanted to draft a QB at least a year before I need him to play)

RB?  Again a rotational/situtational player.  And a pretty crowded backfield of productive guys and wily vets.

WR?  Not Galloway's position.  Does anyone see Gruden starting a rookie ahead of Hilliard or Clayton (and yes, I know the arguments against Clayton, but Gruden's going to go with a guy who knows the offense unless he has to do otherwise).

I know, let's draft the top rated TE in the first round.  Smith needs competition and Troupe will be learning the offense, so he'll have a shot to win a starting job and contribute this season. :P

With BK gone I have a funny feeling a Cason or whomever will see the field an aweful lot more than 3/4 of the other positions

and will contribute also on Special teams as a KR/PR

I think Barber/Buchanon/Wilson will hold down the top 3 positions.  I think baring injury, a drafted CB doesn't see the field on defense (or at least, no more than rotating in for some snaps like any drafted WR or RB would do).

The special teams/return specialist argument can be made for RB and WR as well as CB.  AND that role can easily be filled by a later round pick, I don't see it as a determiner for drafting a particular CB in the first instead of RB or WR with the same ST skill set.

All I'm against is saying "Draft a CB instead of QB or WR because he'll contribute in his first year", when I think the depth chart at CB is just as packed as the other positions.   Or "Get a CB now so he can be groomed for the future" when that same argument isn't supported for drafting a QB or WR (two positions with a history for needing time to develop and pay off much more after their first and/or second year than others).

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#21 : April 19, 2008, 02:23:31 PM

If you want the guy and think hes the future of your team at that position, and your not sure your going to get him at 51 and you cant find a trade partner..

This seems to be most prevalent with QBs.

If you think Josh Johnson will be taken in the 1st or 2nd, you are a moron.

Really? Because Tavaris Jackson going in Round 2 two years ago is exactly what everyone had expected right?

And that was in a QB rich draft.. I actually think Johnson has a much better draft grade than Jackson did and this QB class is not nearly as good.

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#22 : April 19, 2008, 02:47:18 PM

call me a moron ,but according to another poster...if you like the player then its not a reach...1chris johnson,2 josh johnson,3 eddie royals...and if we do take cj in the 1st he will be played mainly at wr so yes in essence your right they won't be drafting a rb ...it will be a wr. ;)

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#23 : April 19, 2008, 02:58:27 PM

The Avery, Johnson first and second round pick thing is growing on me 4bucs - can't say I would be disheartened - and I don't like taking first round wrs.. 

WR and RB are both areas needing to be addressed - I have limited confidence in the abilities of the current rostered players.  And if Jonathan Steward is there at 20 I would have to take him....

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#24 : April 19, 2008, 06:01:57 PM

It all comes down to who the team covets, if they like his position traits and feel his character is good then you draft the player you want when you want, just because another team or media outlet might say he should not be picked in that round doesnt mean much if the team holds a high opinion of said player

In Football, RESPECT is never given freely by your opponent. It must be TAKEN from them...VIOLENTLY

Great players cost a lot of money but help win games. High-priced players - a byproduct of poorly run front offices with bad scouting departments - only cost a lot of money.
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#25 : April 19, 2008, 06:10:03 PM

yucc, unless the media outlets are right and the other teams think so little of him he could be picked up a round later . . .

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#26 : April 19, 2008, 06:17:53 PM

mellow, there is some truth to that but, if you gamble on the player being there a round later and he is not then your picking someone you would have rather waited a round later to pick.

Based off of Bruce Allens history with the Bucs

1. Davin Joseph - most had a second round grade on him - Bucs took him in the first
2. Trueblood - most had a third to fourth round grade on him - Bucs took him in the second
3. Sabby - most had a third to fourth round grade - Bucs took him in the second
4. Quincy Black- most had a fourth to fifth round grade - Bucs took him in the third
5. Barrett Ruud - most had a third round grade - Bucs took him in the second
6. Greg Peterson - most had him as a seventh round or undrafted - Bucs took him in the fifth
7. Julian Jenkins - seventh round grade -Bucs took him in the fifth round

More then anything the Bucs just take the player they have graded high and dont care what other clubs think, I am sure that trend will continue this year

In Football, RESPECT is never given freely by your opponent. It must be TAKEN from them...VIOLENTLY

Great players cost a lot of money but help win games. High-priced players - a byproduct of poorly run front offices with bad scouting departments - only cost a lot of money.
"Our greatest glory consists not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall."
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