Jon Gruden, offensive genius

a very good,, upstanding, & honest man & coach.

Whose teams constantly choke in the playoffs

[SeedOfChucky33]

The Chargers have more points in the 4th quarter than we do all year. In every quarter.


LT has outscored the Buccaneers. By himself. I'm not saying fire Gruden. Not at all. I'm not one to forget about his past success that fast. But unless there are major changes next year, something needs to be done....



PS- It kills me to start another complaining thread. I really hate these and it's hypocritical to post it. But I hear this stat and couldn't resist. It's ridiculous.

[DanTurksGhost]

Tony Dungy, defensive genius.

[SeedOfChucky33]

Tony Dungy, defensive genius.

. He's not running that defense.

it's Jon....

[DanTurksGhost]

He's not running that defense.

It doesn't appear that he's running anything in Indy right now.

[SeedOfChucky33]

it's Jon....

My fault.

[MiltonMack21]

I don't quite get all the Tony Dungy references when Gruden is brought up. Especially the Gruden lover that calls Dungy Dung y. What a joke. Anyway, that is interesting stat, pretty telling when a Marty Schottenheimer led team is outscoring us by that much.

[liquidamber5]

Tony Dungy, defensive genius.

What on earth does Tony Dungy's defensive performance in Indy have to do with what Gruden doing as Bucs head coach.

[DanTurksGhost]

I don't quite get all the Tony Dungy references when Gruden is brought up.

Because it points out how ridiculous falling back on this "offensive/defensive genius" label is.

[dbucfan]

First I like Tony, my all time favorite coach.  Second, Gruden didn't create the cap, draft, or talent issues on this team he inherited them.  I have questioned a lot of decisions, but he has been hamstrung on getting talent since arrival.

Finally, Marty is leading nothing.  LT leads that team and his presence enables other good players to look great.  Take LT out of that line up and you have another potential playoff contender.  With him everything is better so long and the Oline is decent

[Beastie]

Well Dungy has put the Colts top 10 in defense in 2 of his 4 seasons as head coach.

[keeponbucn]

Well Dungy has put the Colts top 10 in defense in 2 of his 4 seasons as head coach.

And it's netted the Colts what? Oh that's right, a ton of regular season wins.

[corruptpirate]

Well Dungy has put the Colts top 10 in defense in 2 of his 4 seasons as head coach.

And yet with that and the all mighty Peyton, the Colts still haven't gotten past the AFC championship game.

Also, Martyball seems to be outscoring alot of teams lately. Alot of teams meaning everyone else in the NFL. But yes, its hard to watch the team getting into scoring range and never actually getting a TD from it.

Well Dungy has put the Colts top 10 in defense in 2 of his 4 seasons as head coach.

And yet with that and the all mighty Peyton, the Colts still haven't gotten past the AFC championship game.

Also, Martyball seems to be outscoring alot of teams lately. Alot of teams meaning everyone else in the NFL. But yes, its hard to watch the team getting into scoring range and never actually getting a TD from it.

it's not Martyball..it's LT....you put him on any team they're offense gets better in a snap.