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« #30 : December 12, 2006, 02:00:43 PM »

Our o-line is not nearly as bad at pass protection as the "draft Joe Thomas" camp would have you believe.  They gave up 1 sack to ATL and while a poor play by Davis Gradkowski held the ball way too long for a 3rd and 4 where all you need is a quick read and release.

Listen to Gruden talk about their craptastic run blocking. Oh and BTW, do we have TE's on this roster? You'll never know as long as they are playing as 3rd and 4th tackles all the time.

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« #31 : December 12, 2006, 02:04:19 PM »

I'm all for taking Brady Quinn since he is the most NFL ready player in the draft. Naplebuc-You say you'd rather have Brohm than Quinn when Brohm plays in the Big East LOL your post made no since once I read that. Quinn played in a Pro Style Offense while Russell played in a College Offense. BTW here are Quinn and Russells stats for the year.

Brady Quinn
12 Games
432  Attempts
274 Completions
63.4 Completion %
3278 Yards
35 TD
5 INT

JeMarcus Russel
12 Games
307 Attempts
210 Completions
68.4 Completion %
2791 Yards
26 TD
7 INT



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« #32 : December 12, 2006, 02:07:14 PM »

Quinn's schedule is laughable compared to Russell.  And against a great defense (Michigan) he sucked.

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« #33 : December 12, 2006, 02:10:53 PM »

Quinn's schedule is laughable compared to Russell. And against a great defense (Michigan) he sucked.

It's not the schedule, it's who's coaching Quinn that makes him more valuable than Russell. Quinn is being coached by Wiess who caoched one of the best QB's in the game today in Brady. Quinn is running a pro-sytle offense and his learning curve will be much shorter. It's a no-brainer really, QUinns got everything you need and then some.

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« #34 : December 12, 2006, 02:11:52 PM »

You can compare schedule all you want but from what Quinn was able to do while being coached by a former NFL Coordinator is undeniable. Russel has alot of talent but won't be a Top 3 pick. I would be happy to see either player wearing the Pewter & Red, but clearly Quinn is the most NFL ready.


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« #35 : December 12, 2006, 02:41:55 PM »

The only problem was that the Bucs "dynasty" started in 1999 and lasted through 2003

There's no reason to call 1999 dynastic and not call 2005 dynastic in the same way.

Totally disagree.  I certainly can remember the offense being the reason we won a few games last season, Atlanta and Washington come to mind.

The 2005 D has nothing on the 99 D, except for league rankings in regards to yards given up.

Quinn's schedule is laughable compared to Russell. And against a great defense (Michigan) he sucked.

It's not the schedule, it's who's coaching Quinn that makes him more valuable than Russell. Quinn is being coached by Wiess who caoched one of the best QB's in the game today in Brady. Quinn is running a pro-sytle offense and his learning curve will be much shorter. It's a no-brainer really, QUinns got everything you need and then some.

Amen brother, the Weis pedigree means a lot.  If we have a shot at Quinn, he should be a Buc next season.

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« #36 : December 12, 2006, 02:45:11 PM »

dunn left when the bucs couldn't match the load of dough the falcons gave him and neal was gone about 3 years before gruden got here...at least 3.

No we wanted a bigger back...


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« #37 : December 12, 2006, 02:48:34 PM »

The 2005 D has nothing on the 99 D, except for league rankings in regards to yards given up.

It isn't better than the 1999 defense but it was good enough to win you a title. That's the question. Plenty of teams have won SB's with D's not as good as our 1999 defense so when you talk about dynastic capability that team was certainly capable of being dynastic as much as 1999 or 1997 for that matter. All three years failed becuase the offenses couldn't deliver consistently or when it counted.

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« #38 : December 12, 2006, 03:00:47 PM »

The 2005 D has nothing on the 99 D, except for league rankings in regards to yards given up.

It isn't better than the 1999 defense but it was good enough to win you a title. That's the question. Plenty of teams have won SB's with D's not as good as our 1999 defense so when you talk about dynastic capability that team was certainly capable of being dynastic as much as 1999 or 1997 for that matter. All three years failed becuase the offenses couldn't deliver consistently or when it counted.

Well said.



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« #39 : December 12, 2006, 03:17:25 PM »

dunn left when the bucs couldn't match the load of dough the falcons gave him and neal was gone about 3 years before gruden got here...at least 3.

No we wanted a bigger back...
Pittman was cheaper, make no mistake that was a key in the deal.

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« #40 : December 12, 2006, 03:23:24 PM »

The Bucs have the makings of beefing up the line, should draft another O-lineman, and let the Caddy run behind it.  It is a start anyway.  Plus, better O-line means more time in the pocket, and an accurate QB with some time can make things happen...

Basic 101.


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« #41 : December 12, 2006, 04:59:41 PM »

The Bucs have the makings of beefing up the line, should draft another O-lineman, and let the Caddy run behind it. It is a start anyway. Plus, better O-line means more time in the pocket, and an accurate QB with some time can make things happen...

Basic 101.
I like the way you think, that's why the Bucs are in a win-win situation with whoever they pick in the top 3 : Joe Thomas,Brady Quinn, or Calvin Johnson. Would fill a need for this team.

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