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: December 12, 2006, 09:40:30 AM

When does Bruce realize that he has to break the conception that he and Gruden are joined at the hip?
Just think about it for a second if Gruden gets fired there is a good chance he may not get another NFL head coaching job for a while...he may go to a team and be an OC an OC doesnt bring in a GM. Also if Gruden decides that he wants to go the college route there isnt a GM position for a college.

Bruce IMO has to do his best to show that he is his own man next season. He has to think aout his job. As a GM cap wise you cannot ask for a better GM. However Jon's player selections have tainted his record a bit. However if Bruce takes the reigns and distances himself from Jon a bit it may go a long way in him being the GM if a new coaching regime arrives.

This will be an interesting offseason if Gruden is reatined another year....to see how the Allen/Gruden relationship turns out


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#1 : December 12, 2006, 09:44:36 AM

I think Allen is gone whenever Gruden is gone.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#2 : December 12, 2006, 09:46:38 AM

Gruden would be hired immediately, as a head coach somewhere, if we fire him.

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#3 : December 12, 2006, 09:46:48 AM

what?

Gruden won't get fired so it's a moot point. Allen's been in this league a long time, longer than Gruden, so those that feel he and Gruden are joined at the hip are simply stupid. Just because Buc fans aren't used to a coach and GM working together on personel decisions doesn't mean it's wrong when it does happen. Sick of this garbage around here......

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#4 : December 12, 2006, 09:47:48 AM

I like Allen and think he is a good GM.  He is a great calologist, a good PR guy and he knows the NFL inside-out.  If think the Glazers will keep Allen even if Gruden leaves, and his job will be fairly secure.




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#5 : December 12, 2006, 10:17:56 AM

what?

Gruden won't get fired so it's a moot point. Allen's been in this league a long time, longer than Gruden, so those that feel he and Gruden are joined at the hip are simply stupid. Just because Buc fans aren't used to a coach and GM working together on personel decisions doesn't mean it's wrong when it does happen. Sick of this garbage around here......

I am one that thinks that Gruden/Allen are not that close. They parted ways in Oakland....I however believe it is the perception of the majority of fans that they are. Whatever happens to Gruden I like Allen as our GM. I want to keep him here.

It will interesting to see if Allen makes some moves next year without the advice of Gruden

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#6 : December 12, 2006, 10:20:59 AM

Bruce doesnt need Gruden to get a job in the NFL. He's got connections across the league and as we have seen first hand, he knows how to keep a team under its cap. Besides, whatever happens, I'm willing to bet that the Glazers keep Allen as he has done pretty well as a GM of the Bucs.

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#7 : December 12, 2006, 10:36:54 AM

Allen is a very good GM, former NFL Executive of the Year, and the Glazers know how very strong he is at structuring contracts. He also doesn't meddle in personnel evaluations like Rich McKay did. He also puts a lot more stock in the plans of the coaching staff rather than overruling them with an iron fist like RM.

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#8 : December 12, 2006, 10:58:18 AM

Gru would be hired very quickly if he was fired. No way he takes a step down to an OC.
He could also go to a college if there was a team out there that he loved and had an
opening. But it's moot because Gru is still here and should be for at least one more
year.

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#9 : December 13, 2006, 12:36:17 AM

Bruce Allen is Jon Gruden's lap dog. He "accidentally" came here when McKay left?  LOL! SR already said in PI they are a package deal.               

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#10 : December 13, 2006, 07:29:16 AM

Allen doesn't need the money, that's for sure.
RM did have a good feel for the direction of the NFL, in terms of play.
In that regard, probably better than Allen.  A good "futures" guy.

But Allen does seem to be more of the "team" guy, getting the
players that the coaches ask for.  A good "real-time" guy.

Gruden may be better served by getting a player-personnel
guy to manage players and allowing him to focus on the
tactical plans needed to win ballgames.

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#11 : December 13, 2006, 07:44:12 AM

SR, did you really say that they are a "package deal"?  Bruce Allen has done a good job.  He hasn't yet had a draft pick miss a day of Camp.  He also has done a nice job with the Cap.  We are in great shape for this offseason.  Yes Allen and Gruden have a good working relationships from their days in Oakland, but Allen would not have gotten the job were he not more than adequately qualified. 

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#12 : December 13, 2006, 08:12:01 AM

what?

Gruden won't get fired so it's a moot point. Allen's been in this league a long time, longer than Gruden, so those that feel he and Gruden are joined at the hip are simply stupid. Just because Buc fans aren't used to a coach and GM working together on personel decisions doesn't mean it's wrong when it does happen. Sick of this garbage around here......



Amen!   This long held mythology is constantly perpetrated by the media and local fan "mullet heads" still holding "a love affair" with the well liked Dungy and extremely overated Rich Mckay.  This wildly held myth that  " Allen is Gruden's puppet" has gone well beyond absurdity, and points rather clearly why these media types and such fans holding the same opinion should never be taken seriously because they really haven't a clue.


Allen is an excellent GM .   Anyone that has ever heard him speak realizes this in an instant.    However, it is alway hard to convince the ignorant being led by a media with an "Agenda".

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#13 : December 13, 2006, 08:12:54 AM

Bruce Allen is Jon Gruden's lap dog. He "accidentally" came here when McKay left? LOL! SR already said in PI they are a package deal.

What a stupid comment-- you do realize he has been in the league longer than Gruden. Just because he practices as a good GM and gets along with his staff instead of being a dictator doesn't mean he is a lap dog. Package deal???? If they were such a package deal where was he in 2002 and 2003???

Lap dog-- ha--try NFL Exec of the year in 02 without Gruden. Some lap dog huh Karen---shhhhhhhh I hear Chris calling you-- time to go out and potty--hope Chris has a big bag-- lot of dung flying from the haters


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#14 : December 13, 2006, 08:23:58 AM

Bruce Allen is Jon Gruden's lap dog. He "accidentally" came here when McKay left? LOL! SR already said in PI they are a package deal.

What a stupid comment-- you do realize he has been in the league longer than Gruden. Just because he practices as a good GM and gets along with his staff instead of being a dictator doesn't mean he is a lap dog. Package deal???? If they were such a package deal where was he in 2002 and 2003???

Lap dog-- ha--try NFL Exec of the year in 02 without Gruden. Some lap dog huh Karen---shhhhhhhh I hear Chris calling you-- time to go out and potty--hope Chris has a big bag-- lot of dung flying from the haters


The more I read Karen's comments the more it appears that she is not the sharpest knife in the drawer...   
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